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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Lack of growth of domestic industry is a disgrace.

    We are in an appalling situation as a country economically because we are far too reliant on foreign investment and if it disappears we're fucked.

    So we have a country which is completely dependent on the rest of the world for any economic prosperity and also completely dependent on the rest of the world for our physical protection as we don;'t have our own armed forces.

    And yet all the politicians and political parties (or very few of them at least) don't seem to have had the slightest problem with this over the years.

    So despite being an "independent country" we're probably one of the least independent countries in the world right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I think it is a damning indictment of us as a country that we have not moved on and become less reliant on FDI and built our own indigenous companies. We have seemed to have settled for what we have or maybe I am being to harsh and we do have indigenous companies but are all too small or a one person show?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There are some very big ones out there : Kerry Group, Smurfit Kappa, CRH, Ryanair, Primark etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Are they big enough employers in the state to keep the economy going like FDI?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,601 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's a good question - I believe I read somewhere that FDIs employ only around 10% of workers but generate considerably greater wealth overall.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    But..but....remember the Irish emigrated.....and we had 8 million before the famine.....and we need them to pay our pensions....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    “We could train them to build houses for us” is one of the best ones

    Rather than just training our own untrained people, we bring in other untrained people, likely without great English, who will also need houses, to build houses. Makes a lot of sense



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That stat wouldn't surprise me. Having worked in a couple of these multinational companies they are always looking to cut their workforce or get more bang for the buck from the worker especially when it comes to high wage economy's like ours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭getoutadodge


    He's a Govt appointee. Any hint about the imminent crash in tourism due to the removal of so many hotel beds from the system would have cost him his job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Packrat


    What a corrupt Fcuking Basatrd.

    Whilst my summer tourism job will be fine thanks to American millionaires/billionaires, many of my colleagues who drove or guided Europeans won't.

    There's also literally thousands of small businesses who were barely hanging on the last summer or two, who won't be around this year at all.

    Each one of those is another usually indigenous Irish family breadwinner who will now have to commute from rural Ireland into a city or town and compete with the whole third world for a minimum wage job.

    I'm currently struggling to get health care for my daughter who is nearly 6 for a condition diagnosed at 20 week scan..

    Off to Cork again tomorrow to fight to get treatment. "No budget" for this, "Not covered by" etc etc etc...

    Millions (yes, i said millions) paid in taxes in my lifetime... (not getting into how/why)

    But there's 6 billion for the rest of the world who never paid or contributed fcuk all....

    May God help any candidate for any gov (or compliant "opposition") party who knocks on my door ever again.

    I'll serve my sentence for them.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Local reps in Drogheda deciding to get tough now with Roderic I see.

    Deputy mayor says either the D Hotel must agree to a blend of tourist rooms and immigration housing or that the government must cancel the contract. Also mention of 12 million compensation to towns businesses etc.

    Things are hotting up and the local elected officials seem to be really pissed off that the state has tried to bypass them.

    Interesting to see where this goes but has the potential to cause real political difficulties. Drogheda is not some disadvantaged town/ village down the country that the dept can walk over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,003 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    If you're a tourist, why would you go stay in a hotel that is also being used to house refugees? The price would want to be very cheap for that. Most likely you'll just not go to Drogheda.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,260 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What annoys me is how Americanised people are getting in Ireland. Many have totally bought into the American dream corporate culture and are obsessed over title, career, money and impressing the overlords, often while neglecting family, health, community etc. You see people prostituting themselves on Linkedin and growing their brand. Doing a masters in something is almost compulsory. Being incredibly woke is another pre-req. And you must own an electric car! Talking in cliches etc, we all know the type. I worked in 2 US MNCs for several years but I got sick of the corporate ladder/values nonsense and it seems to be only getting worse.

    I'd much prefer to see more Irish run and owned companies.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭bloopy


    LinkedIn wasn't too bad a few years ago. Could get interesting articles and links from it for topics I was interested in.

    Now it seems to be just angry people, 'inspirational' slogans and marketing videos.

    Edit: and everyone on it seems to have to be an activist of some description.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    We stayed in a hotel in Carrick a while back 50:50 mix, it was a disastrous experience, doors closed at 10 or so, hotel bar closed, at 11 or so we were stopped at the door by a security guy questioning us on which number room we were in... Next morning no water from 9 until 3 without warning, said on inquiry at the desk that they had to empty some tank??didn't seem too bothered... All this for €120pp pn no breakfast off season, never again will I darken the door of this establishment under the present management



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    But remember Ireland is a rich country and rolling in the money.😖

    In the past month or so I’m looking at my 2 young lads and thinking to myself I hope they are a lot smarter than I was and will get a good education and be more than qualified to go work abroad away from this hellhole that this place could end up being.

    its criminal what’s being done to this country where the likes of a Muslim cleric is given so much airtime to call us all racist over a so called attack on him even though their isn’t a scratch on him.where the woke leftists are welcoming every scam artist here and we’re to give them bed and board in their own house and money as well.

    if Michael Collins and the boys of 1916 could come back now and see what’s happening they would be saying what ta **** was it for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Let's get a grip. Most immigration is by people who are working.

    The refugee system needs radical reform

    But violence is unacceptable. You should be clear on this.

    We need worker in every area you can name. Don't give into hysteria

    https://medium.com/@williamlynch1970/lets-tackle-trans-bull-130bb83b3d50



  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    For legal people coming here to work and contribute to society 1000%.against the sham of what is going on at the minute .that not being hysterical or falling for bs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,003 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Ya, like hotel owners are doing this as it's a way to make a load of money without anywhere close to the expenditure on staff, food etc that a tourist would be looking for. Keeping it open for both really just makes it a really bad hotel for tourists



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Have to agree with you, it is annoying to see us adopt this Americanised culture. One of the attractions to the American MNC's coming here was our culture and the relaxed atmosphere in the offices. I worked for a few of these big American corporations and what saddened me most was seeing Irish staff becoming more obsessed that their American counterparts and then the shock that the company could turn around and at the stroke of a pen make them redundant. Some folks just couldn't get over that company could do that to them after all they did.

    What is really annoying is the hoops that companies are making people jump through during the interview process, some many rounds of interviews, an interviews with this person/department, another interview with another person in the same department and so on so on. I have even heard of people as part of the interview/hiring process going into the company for a day to see how they all get along. What a load of BS if that is true. Maybe I am just old now but surely an interview with the people in the department doing the hiring and an interview with HR should be enough to know whether someone is capable of doing the job.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I can't remotely see the attraction either, likewise booking your party, event with the hotel. I suppose the local council are trying to make the best of a bad lot, very difficult fence to sit on - publicly defending the need to house asylum seekers whilst raging against the loss of essential tourism facilities.

    You should write a formal complaint to the Dept of Tourism giving details of that disgraceful experience. Our Minister for Tourism needs to be brought to her senses and given a good kick up the backside. She's far too busy dealing with exit packages and jobs for the boys in RTE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,005 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    It's perfectly possible like me to work in the American dream whilst simultaneously laughing at all that shite

    One thing for sure education is a privilege in America 😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Justice Minister said she has to ”push back very strongly” against claims by women in Roscrea, north Tipp, that they don’t feel safe in the town anymore.

    She's responding to a protest outside the Garda station in town earlier this week. McEntee went on to say that local protestors are being manipulated by people who are stoking fears against migrants, refugees, and asylum seekers. The protest was near all women who came out.

    The protest comes a few days after a non-EU National broke into a woman’s house in Roscrea and started masturbating and telling her he wanted to have sex with her. All while her children were there.

    Like many women in towns around Ireland where incidents like these have happened or are happening, they do not live in ivory towers protected by personal Gardai, Gardai by her side or outside her home and surveillance.

    Dismissing women's genuine fear to push her agenda, basically calling them liars? Vile.

    https://tippfm.com/news/community/minister-says-roscrea-protestors-manipulated/



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,860 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    This ongoing narrative that we're all either naive or easily led by the shadowy racist "far right" is not only ridiculous, it's insulting.

    The fact that it's McEntee coming out on this speaks volumes - ideology and wishful thinking are more important to the female Minister for Justice than listening to other Irish women.

    Take note people of Tipperary and indeed nationwide. This is what a decade of FG in government has brought us to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    They really do think people are tick

    McEntee

    "We have a situation that 20% of the people living in this country are not from this country and we will always have a mixture of people committing crimes, but those that want to sow division and sow fear will hone in on that one, or two, or three single incidents and make it look as if its a very different situation.

    or four or five or six or seven etc. Proportionality is lost on her. The age-old crime & far-right association. Imagine whats been through the courts and unreported. what we've seen in newspapers provides enough proof as it is.

    At least Carol Nolan was there to support.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Zero fg td in tipp, long may it continue. Reckon tipp will have 3 independents next election. Not ideal but at the least tipp people aren't just following party politics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Lowery is an FG TD in all but name. Never votes against them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Lowry is a mid tipp td and gets all he can for them by voting with government but he is no longer a fg td so tipp has zero fg tds. I get your point though. People voting for lowry not for fg my point essentially .Too many people vote party not person.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Hope the open borders cheerleaders in here are delighted with themselves

    The policies they’ve supported have directly influenced this awful situation unfolding on the streets of our capital



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭Augme


    I doubt anyone is delighted with this scenario. Clearly the government needs to really get the finger out. Purchase most hotel space if necessary. Leaving them out the streets is ridiculous.



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