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    #105902
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 7,076 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121807917#Comment_121807917


    Some of that anger may be at themselves but I think there is another theory worth considering.

    In her recent excellent book, Doppelganger, Naomi Klein delves deep into the world of disinformation (inspired by Naomi Wolfe, who she is often confused with, embracing those kinds of beliefs.) Klein observes that the modern western world has been hollowed over the past 40 years so that large corporations and the ultra rich have benefited at the expense of the general population. People are more educated than ever but are struggling to buy houses, pay for healthcare and childcare. They're spending more time alone and online where they are often bombarded by idyllic images of the lives of the rich and famous. At the same time the Climate Breakdown is accelerating and political instability seems to be growing around the world.

    In short. Things are not going well. This is the root of a lot of people's anger. They know this to be true. They should be angry. They should be angry with system that encourages the concept of "unlimited growth" which is often built on the backs of some of the poorest people in the world and whose fruits disproportionately go to those at the very top. Unfortunately that system that often hijacks politics and media in order to deflect attention elsewhere. So instead peoples anger is instead focused on all sorts of other things.



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    #105903
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121807931#Comment_121807931

    "the EU" has no stocks to backfill in the first place. It's an incredibly complicated issue, and I think EU leadership could be doing more, but they have no competency on military affairs.



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    #105904
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Nothing but grim news about Ukraine… the republicans really sunk them…..how can they sleep at night



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    #105905
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,292 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808522#Comment_121808522

    Given how routinely the American Right fúcks over their own people, I daresay Ukraine caused them no such trouble at bedtime.



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    #105906
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808391#Comment_121808391

    When I say backfill, I really mean, use EU funding to purchase those 500k rounds to replace EU countries stocks. If individual countries think they don't need them, they would still be free to transfer them to Ukraine.

    Key point being, just get them into the EU in the first place. Use the fact that EU stocks are depleted as the excuse to release funding. Then again some countries will just veto it as they don't want money leaving the EU.



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    #105907
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808573#Comment_121808573

    I suspect some countries would veto it as they don't want the EU involved in areas outside its competencies also. I don't think the EU will get directly involved in arms purchasing, but releasing funding that can be used basically for "whatever" is the best bet, but then who knows how it gets used afterwards. Any steps the EU have made in the defence area have been met with a lot of hostility.



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    #105908
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121807931#Comment_121807931

    Also, it is possibly a tough sell for some EU countries like Greece/Cyprus to watch potentially billions of Eur of EU funding being dumped into growing Turkey's (sorry Turkiye's) already quite developed weapons industry and military (if most will come from there?).

    Must be a reasonable probability that Erdogan (like Putin) will turn the fiery rhetoric into reality, and attack one or both in coming years. Hate being such a pessimist, but that seems to be the world we are in at the moment.

    Eastern Europe/Baltic states are not the only ones with a troublesome neighbour.



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    #105909
    RGARDINR
    Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808552#Comment_121808552

    I 100% agree with u there. Bunch of idiots of the highest order.



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    #105910
    zv2
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭zv2


    ...

    https://twitter.com/FinSniper22/status/1760613225131819188


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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    #105911
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121807978#Comment_121807978

    Why drip feed the sanctions in the first place? Just f**king hammer them. What are they waiting for... do they think peace is going to miraculously break out in a few weeks and they don't want to jeopardise that?

    If they found so many sanctions now, they could have put them in place months, years ago.

    Pathetic all round.



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    #105912
    I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct
    Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    https://www.politico.eu/article/putins-military-alliance-loses-a-member/

    The Collective Security Treaty Organization is an intergovernmental military alliance in Eurasia consisting of six post-Soviet states: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Tajikistan, formed in 2002.

    I wonder will Azerbaijan try something now or are there peace talks between them behind the scenes. That region is an awful mess.



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    #105913
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121809025#Comment_121809025

    Bawhahahahhaahahhahabahahahahahahaha

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #105914
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Apparently last moments


    https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1761081362495184989


    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #105915
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,278 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121806837#Comment_121806837

    In fairness the EU and it’s citizens has bankrolled Ukraine and it’s citizens to the tune on billions of euros of EU taxpayers money… which we’ll never see again…

    27.3 billion was the last figure I saw.

    the US has given over double that….

    there is a limit and we are probably at the point where we have to say 🤷‍♂️

    there is no sign of any peaceful solution. Putin isn’t a reasonable or well man… ex- MI6 boss Sir Richard Dearlove was interviewed and he believes through credible information and intelligence that Putin has Parkinsons disease….

    Apart from the physical symptoms of that the psychological ones of general cognitive impairment, irritability, depression, anxiety, hallucinations etc….. not the symptoms you want to add to someone already a bit mental and with an arsenal of nuclear warheads at his disposal…

    It’s a pity Russia itself can’t do away with him ffs…



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    #105916
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    This gets more interesting

    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1761098519555739708


    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #105917
    Polar101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Polar101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808924#Comment_121808924

    Azerbaijan just signed a big deal to buy fighter jets from Pakistan (JF-17s). It's bad times for Armenia once they found out the 'Russian NATO' wasn't really much of a military alliance.



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    #105918
    junkyarddog
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭junkyarddog


    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1761084271718961411

    Confirmed that it was indeed an A-50,same area as the previous one apparently.

    Quite impressive from the Ukrainians,slightly fearful for what the retaliation will be,more residential areas to be targeted no doubt.



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    #105919
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,697 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Strumms

    there is a limit and we are probably at the point where we have to say 🤷‍♂️

    The thing is that if funding to Ukraine is cancelled and European backlash to immigration continues, then Ukrainians will end up without a country and without a refuge. I'm not sure there'll be enough Netflix to effectively distract us from the brutal ethnic cleansing that will follow.

    And aid to Ukraine is not a happy-clappy altruistic gesture. There's a point to be proved about how far the West is willing to go to defend its interests. If that answer to its enemies is, 'not as far as you', then we're really into a new phase of modern history. Just throw meat into the grinder until western nations start complaining about the cost of ammo.



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    #105920
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭jmreire


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121809591#Comment_121809591

    And if Putin gets away with taking Ukraine, aside from the refugee crisis that will cause, it will trigger even more invasionitis in Putin. And then my Friends, we can be prepared to pay out not only mega bucks, but rivers of blood too.



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    #105921
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121807088#Comment_121807088

    The US president is not yet a King but he has the power to do this since the early 60s, far as I remember Kennedy era support for South Vietnam was behind the codification of it. This is not the only flexibility, above Congress, that the President has with regards war and Defense.


    The idea that a paltry 61bn dollars being held up is what is going to cost Ukraine the war is wrong and needs to be called out.


    Partner countries under the excess Defense articles act can also pay so Western European States could pony up.


    Where there is a will options open up at every turn.


    Just enough to hold the line has been the mantra for most Western States since the beginning, bar the tans and some Eastern Europeans, to their credit.


    That was all fine until Russia learnt from mistakes and showed a willingness to become a snowy Pakistan type shi7hole economy to take a fifth of Ukraine.


    For Ukraine to push Russia out will take multiples of the aid, financial and especially militarily given to date. The Red army is going to have to be blown out of every bunker and village.

    Ukraine is currently at war, Israel are currently at war, both of them are fighting forces that see all of Europe as their mortal enemy, this needs to be treated like the cold war and wide and rapid European rearmament and back Ukraine et al to the hilt because they are on the front line against our enemies.


    Extreme right wing, no, not at all. Just not left in the modern upper middle class way it has become.


    You could say I'm de last of de real socialists, infacta.



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    #105922
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,411 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121809215#Comment_121809215

    What can we take from the footage?

    It looks like the plane knew a threat was incoming and was deploying Chaff as a countermeasure which didn't work.

    There does look like there was another plane hit too that barely started on the Chaff when it was hit.

    Putting all this together. It looks like extra terrestrials have declared war on Russian aircraft. Thanks ET. 😎



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    #105923
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,782 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121809591#Comment_121809591

    Europe is at war and not paying for Ukrainian arms means we pay here.


    The hostiles don't really care if we see ourselves as at war with them. They see it that way.


    We are very unfortunate with the political leadership today, we live in societies where long term is viewed as several years and less and less think further than that.


    Occasionally Thinking in terms of decades is vital to a happy and fulfilling life, for a country and society it is a basic need.



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    #105924
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,012 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121809504#Comment_121809504

    Expensive day out.



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    #105925
    aidanodr
    Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    LIVE: UN Security Council meeting on Russia-Ukraine war

    David Cameron just on, I thought he was very good, excellent speech and hard hitting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASg08Zae1No




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    #105926
    aidanodr
    Registered Users Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    I agree

    "#Russia is not an "acute threat" as our received wisdom would have it--it is a chronic threat, and it will remain so until its imperial drive is broken. Today there is only one task for our leaders: Stop talking about "as long as it takes" and re-learn the basics of warfare."

    https://twitter.com/andrewmichta/status/1761102050610274721




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    #105927
    junkyarddog
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭junkyarddog


    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1760398209556390186

    Meanwhile in the utopia that is russia......



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