Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

He should be made to follow through on implementation, certianly.

He and the department will be accountable for that long term.

Ireland is well capable of increasing population. It is very rural for the most part and it should have a larger population.

But the increase does need to be done in line with infrastructure capacity. Thats really where the problem lies.

This is it.

The real problem is infrastrucure.

Housing and services infrastructure.

We will catch up on these fronts, but we should be further ahead than we are. I think we would all agree on that.

Immigration isn't as much a cause of economic success as a symptom of it.

Ireland shows that better than most countries. Very strong economic growth in the latter Celtic Tiger years saw historically high levels of immigration also. But that didn't prevent a shuddering recession from 2008 which saw the immigration stop and a long period of net emigration begin.

And when people emigrated from here, they also went to places where there were relatively successful economies.

It is very possible to make an argument that high levels of immigration are a good thing, but if you want to do that there are genuine points you can make rather than leaning on very dubious logic. Immigrants do bring different cultural experiences, generally a good work ethic, in most cases they are unlikely to cause trouble, if policies are in place it can be targeted to those with specialist skills.

If someone wants to make the case for immigration that's what is positive. But you're not inevitably going to get a stronger economy because of high immigration, if that was the case cities in the developing world would be doing far better.

Posters that continue to use

"It won't be cheap to enforce x y z " "Look at other countries"

We're already spending billions that are currently here, there's many more to be processed and still arriving.

Fixing our asylum system is not even mentioned once. People in power aren't fixing the actual issue they are snapping up more hotels.

"Ireland is well capable of increasing population. It is very rural for the most part and it should have a larger population."

So is rural Greenland and Russia able to sustain life but you need services, infrastructure, communities, taxpayers money etc... that point is completely pie in the sky means nothing.

Probably posted already -

Most of the tent city IPAs aren't from Europe, mostly single males arriving into the EU and picking Dublin/Ireland for asylum. Skipping countless countries to claim asylum and picking here while we're struggling. It's a failed system from a very dysfunctional government.

It's only the beginning, many of the above picture in tents will have a 60% fail rate of applying for IPA. They'll be here for months/years through IP centers supported with living and with lawyers to stay here. It's a complete circus show, where the clown as the taxpayer, the jokers as the government and the magicians as the companies/hotels making a fortune from this act.

Judge Mitchell heard the accused pleaded guilty and had no documents, and the garda said: "We have not been able to establish where he arrived from, and he did not indicate any assistance whatsoever".

The garda said he likely arrived from another European destination and agreed with the judge that the accused "would have boarded the flight with such documentation".

Judge Mitchell noted the accused, who listened to the proceedings with the help of an interpreter, did not wish to say why he did not apply for asylum in another country. He said Dafaallah "somehow or other did not have documents when he arrived."

Exactly the points most middle posters here are pointing out. Many IPA's are arriving from safe destinations without providing their documentation (destroyed on arrival) even tho boarding airplanes and not providing assistance to where they're from "We have not been able to establish where he arrived from".

We can't trust or allow the airlines to enforce our border, we need border control to enforce border control to check all arrives for documentation/ID. Should you fail to provide any documentation then detained and deported back to the country origin flight. Many people arriving in the EU are just boarding flights anywhere in the EU and picking any country and destroying their ID/documents.

It'll stop, deter many others from arriving here. At the moment this isn't happening, many are provided with IPA status here for months and or years. Appeal after appeal from Human rights lawyers, more money from the taxpayer. It's a laughingstock of a system, rifted with abuse from the profiteers to the failed IPAs arriving here a massive win for all apart from the taxpayer and many service effected.

A fail rate of 60% IPA approval, it's obvious there's a human trafficking issue having us picking up all the pieces.

I never claimed that everyone is richer because of immigration. I was just pointing out that all we seem to hear is about negatives such as pressures on services, infrastructure and housing - rarely about the positives such as the country being at full employment, social welfare payments have recently risen and the economy being overall in very good shape (anyone trying to deny the latter part would also be engaging in mindless nonsense).

I'm providing real-time whats actually happening both articles from today . Over 1k currently in tents haven't even been through the system yet.

You keep saying huge expenses and comparing Ireland 5 million vs USA 331 million as comparison in border controls. Even geologically we're hugely different.

I come up with a proper process but na too expensive, we're spending billions upon billions with knock-on more billions on the tourism industry and services. IPA's currently have a 60% fail rate, those that failed are asked to "self-deport" which is a failure on our system.

I've asked yourself on your stance or problem solving on people arriving and you replied near to this, there's nothing we can really do with taking in IPAs .

The outdated asylum system is systematically setup for abuse, its as clear as day. "You're just posting the same stuff really over and over." because the same issue with immigration is still on-going just getting much worse.

Please stop twisting my words I never said deport everyone. Where did I say deport everyone, nowhere!

If someone is arriving from a safe country hence no grounds to claim IPA, arriving here with no ID/Doc are sent back. The system here is been abused and many Asylum Seekers hearing this are arriving from other EU countries.

Am all the Denmark system, its actually deterring people from traveling there. You will no doubt disagree saying its inhumane and costs a fortune, its the state of the arts centers AS are getting in Denmark. Better than a tent and some dunnes vouchers and better than ruining our Tourism sector/ Health/ Education and housing services.

You have no solution just questions from judging on this thread.

Apologies you don't want to deport everyone... just the people you think shouldn't be here. That certainly needed clarifying.

But you're still on with the 'sending back' despite being shown, again repeatedly, how difficult that is.

I don't understand what you're trying to say about Denmark in this case. Do you think they have state of the art asylum centres?

In relation to IPA's, I think we should be focusing, first and foremost, on getting people out of private hotels and into state owned accommodation.

So what is your solution to that?

Saw this cartoon the other day about why DEI is so popular in the business world.

Was thinking that this also applies perfectly to politics as well.

Running a health service is hard. Providing an education service is hard. Building infrastructure is hard. Figuring out how to pay for everything is hard.

Immigration is one way our politicians shift the performance goal posts. Making Ireland more "diverse", "inclusive", and "equal" is very easy, just start letting people come in from abroad and give them stuff. Add lots of virtue signalling and grandstanding about what such a wonderful humanitarian you are and what such a fantastic new society that you are creating.

Don't let the politicians gaslight you.

I very much doubt it.

Everything else you wrote there is a bit of a giveaway for a start.

And that's just in this one post.

But what people are advocating for greater immigration? Those who aren't part of the anti-immigration lobby are not saying they want to see more immigrants arrive and for the population to get bigger and bigger. They simply say immigration is what it is : if net immigration goes up, it goes up. If it comes down, it comes down. It's all part of the natural ebb and flow of people moving from country to country, something that is ever changing.

Ten years ago, we had net emigration from Ireland - more people leaving than arriving....a simple fact of life.