Kilkenny And Gaelic Football

The change to the All Ireland Junior championship was a disgrace to be honest, they turned a good competition (feeding ground for senior players etc) into a mickeymouse tournament overnight, those teams were still in AI semis etc beforehand, massive retrograde step by the GAA IMHO

You're taking up a lot of space to try and get my attention without any valid points to add to the title of thread. A lot of this over here, and a lot of that over there. But absolutely nothing of interest and ignoring the essential points as always. Nobody stopping you creating any thread you want. I know it's hard to confront actual evidence but keep taking up space.

Picking on a poor county board like Leitrim with 30,000 population. It's not a fair comparison to Kilkenny.

Find me a cash rich county board with people like Ned Quinn, absolutely nailed into boards at croke park, and the corridors of funding power, with a luvvy duvvy relationship with gaa president (Liam O'Neill), that have buried a code so as not to embarrass the image of another code - that would be a fairer comparison?

But it's not about comparison is it? The thread is about Kilkenny and Gaelic Football? I didn't create it but I believe I'm on topic. But sure bring up Leitrim again... anyway, I'm putting you on ignore. Enjoy!

Liam O'Neill has revealed how Kilkenny's footballers have come to compete in Britain.

The GAA president is the brains behind the decision to take the Cats out of the national football league and instead allow them to participate in the British championships.

"I was on the phone to [Kilkenny secretary] Ned Quinn the day after Louth hammered Kilkenny," he says in The Irish Times.

"If we could bring Warwickshire across and subsidise them why not do something for Kilkenny? I said to Ned: 'There's nowhere we can provide competition for you because there's nobody at the exact same stage of development as you are'.

"So I asked myself what we had learned from hurling development. Why not give Kilkenny breathing space for a couple of years?

"Let them play in the British championship without the pressure of playing in the national league . . . and develop a squad who would not be hurlers but Kilkenny footballers with a life of their own - just as the Cavan hurler has a life of his own."

Can anyone explain to me structure and timeline the club football league in Kilkenny? Or does anyone have any links?

Well, you're replying to something you haven't read. And it shows. Because this addresses nothing and proves nothing. It's just an aimless reply. Who cares how many adult teams they have if they have a knockout championship and a cruel league format drawn out over months that begins in January. Buried before it begins. You're not informed on the topic. Google images away but it doesn't stock up to much.

Lots of club football being played in kilkenny at the moment.

By attention, I think you mean focus. And by misguided, I think you mean, misfocus. But misfocus is perfect to some up your post.

Firstly, the argument that Kilkenny is doing more for football than other counties are doing for hurling can serve as a diversion from focusing on the specific needs and challenges facing football within Kilkenny itself. This "look over there, not here" tactic can detract from a critical evaluation of how effectively Kilkenny is addressing the development and promotion of football. It's crucial to assess the quality and impact of support provided for football within Kilkenny, rather than merely comparing it to hurling efforts in other counties. This comparison might obscure the real issues at play, such as the need for a strategic, comprehensive approach to developing football in a county where hurling predominates.

Furthermore, highlighting Kilkenny's support for football without considering the inherent advantages Kilkenny enjoys, being in Leinster and having a significant influence in Croke Park, oversimplifies the situation. Kilkenny's position of power within the GAA and its historical success in hurling grant it resources, attention, and influence that can be leveraged to support football. However, the question remains whether these advantages are being effectively utilized to foster a genuine culture of football development.

Kilkenny's geographical location in Leinster, a province with a strong football tradition, offers potential synergies and opportunities for football development that might not be as readily available to counties in other parts of Ireland, especially those focused on hurling in traditionally football-dominant areas. The leverage and influence Kilkenny has in Croke Park could also be a significant asset in advocating for more resources, support, and attention to football development initiatives. Yet, the effectiveness of these advantages in promoting football comprehensively and sustainably within the county needs to be critically assessed.

The challenge, therefore, lies in ensuring that discussions about supporting football in Kilkenny (and hurling in football-dominant counties) move beyond comparative analyses and address the specific, localized needs for sports development. It involves acknowledging and leveraging the unique advantages each county has, including Kilkenny's position within the GAA hierarchy and its geographical and cultural context. 

Your response suggests that Kilkenny is adequately supporting football, especially at the youth level, compared to other counties' support for hurling. While it provides an analysis of team numbers, it overlooks the quality of resources, coaching, facilities, and overall investment that significantly impact the development of the sport. The mere number of teams does not necessarily equate to the level of support or potential for success. Look at the times of year and length of competition - look at the focus of budget and application of funds. Look at the words and narratives pushed about football, as I posted about Ned Quinn's disastrous narratives about football (apologies & embarrassment). It's a cultural thing, much more than a numbers game. Kilkenny are playing a numbers game that's tied to funding and subsidies. Hence, why Quinn was DESPERATE to field a team when the board and others wanted to not to.

If you create all these teams that still lead to embarrassing score lines, playing football leagues in the dead of winter (but also deaden the league to two games a month at stages), and have a knockout (one game championship for half the teams) championship that runs from the end of September to end of October? A weekend intercounty (two games at most) championship once a year? What are you really trying to do?

Im from Tipp....whats your point? Does he speak for Tipp?

And word salad is a perfect word to sum up yours.

Firstly, only arguing that Kilkenny is doing less for football than they should while ignoring the actions of others can serve as a diversion from focusing on the specific needs and challenges facing Hurling within the country. This "look over there, not here" tactic can detract from a critical evaluation of how effectively counties are addressing the development and promotion of hurling. It's crucial to assess the quality and impact of support provided for hurling within Tyrone, Fermanagh. Cavan. Monaghan, Leitrim, Mayo.........., rather than merely comparing it to football efforts in Kilkenny. This comparison might obscure the real issues at play, such as the need for a strategic, comprehensive approach to developing hurling in multiple counties where football predominates.

'Kilkenny's geographical location in Leinster, a province with a strong football tradition, offers potential synergies and opportunities for football development that might not be as readily available to counties in other parts of Ireland, especially those focused on hurling in traditionally football-dominant areas. The leverage and influence Kilkenny has in Croke Park could also be a significant asset in advocating for more resources, support, and attention to football development initiatives. Yet, the effectiveness of these advantages in promoting football comprehensively and sustainably within the county needs to be critically assessed.'

Honestly this paragraph is a lot of nothing. Kilkennys geographical position? In a football domingated province? Synergy?

'Your response suggests that Kilkenny is adequately supporting football, especially at the youth level, compared to other counties' support for hurling.'

Yes it does. I can only go off what I have read, heard and see and it appears to me that Kilkenny are doing more for football at youth level than many many other counties are doing for hurling. Would you argue that the counties I have mentioned in previous posts are doing more for Hurling at any level? how so?

Im stopping there. Word salad.

This is gas.

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Aren't we lucky we don't have to spend any real money on a senior, under 20 or minor football teams or development squads for footballers as well.

Look at the fools in some of our rival counties, tipp, Wexford, Waterford, Limerick, Clare and even cork wasting money on promotion of football and fielding intercounty football teams when they could just concentrate on the one code like us. And plough all their resources into that one code.

Some might say we have an unfair advantage.

Others might say it is unfair and against the spirit of why the gaa was created, what we are doing.

No confusion, the post was just word salad, a long spiel designed to say a lot without actually saying anything. It read like it was produced by chatgpt or some other AI bot.

And the fact you now try to portray me as having hurt feelings as a means to exit the conversation says a lot also. I believe your posts were in bad faith. An attack on Kilkennys football as a means to either just attack them or form an excuse for the lack of hurling development in other counties. All while completely ignoring the more egregious issue which is the state of hurling in the country. You tried to portray Kilkenny County Board has having some form of powerful influence within the GAA others dont have and being flush with cash as a reason they should be doing more. The first part with no back up, the 2nd part you yourself disproved when one of you posts showed Tyrones as having a similar yearly income. You tried to use the fact the Kilkenny football championship was straight knockout as a stick to beat them with, when pointed out that outer counties run the championship in a similar way you pivoted to attack their league system. When pointed out that their football league was actually being run as we speak you pivoted again to attack the fact its being run off now rather than later in the year. Pivot pivot pivot but attack attack attack.

My points were quite clear. We have an organisation with 2 primary sports. Football and Hurling.

Football is played countrywide and to an acceptable level in 31 of the 32 counties. The one county that it is argued and generally accepted to not be taking football seriously is Kilkenny. Kilkenny are primarily a hurling county in a province which is dominated by football, in an organisation that is dominated by football, in a country where it is the largest sport. Football being a sport under no threat from disappearing in any county, Kilkenny included.

Then we have hurling. The national sport. Hurling is not promoted to an acceptable level in multiple counties. Resources in these counties are not provided to develop the game from a youth level up. The sport is under the threat of disappearing completely in many counties and in huge areas of the country such as the north west. Kilkenny, by far the smallest football county, fielding more football teams than 16 counties are fielding hurling teams as per the chart earlier highlights this.

Yet where is the debate focused. On Kilkenny of course or earlier on the large hurling counties with the charge of do they want to promote hurling in smaller counties. Yet the same people, happy to attack Kilkenny here are also happy to keep quiet on the larger issue of the survival of hurling.

Thats my issue. I cant take the opinions of many in this thread seriously, yours included, because to me they smack of arguments being made in bad faith.