Kilbarry Large-scale Development

Looks like a real positive step towards what's necessary for proper student accommodation in that area. Get students out of "normal" housing estates?

very much needed, but im sure they residents of templers will have a few issues with it!

...i just cant see it happening that way, maybe it would simply increase the number of students in the whole area, with very few, if any great numbers actually leaving templers, i suspect this is the way residents will also see it, and present this in their proposals in refusal of planning...

Why would lunatic students that have a free run of templars hall move into monitored accommodation.

I hope it happens but can't see it happening, unless the accommodation is significantly cheaper than tenplars.

Can't for the life of me figure out why the map has omitted labels for the halting site and the civic amenity site.

...i think some people live in cuckoo land when it comes to such things, its clearly obvious this is exactly what would happen, and residents are more than likely also gonna see it this way, hence why they ll be out in force to try prevent this, and rightfully so, templers is a dreadful place at times, i know people that had to run out of there due to the serious distress it was causing them and their family, and also know some that had no choice but to stay, i wish them the best...

...the reality is, the damage is now done in the area regarding student accommodation, the situation in templers should have never been allowed to escalate to where it is or was, residents will simply do everything in their power to never allow this to happen again, and/or to allow it to escalate to where it is or was, there will clearly be extremely strong resistance from them, and you cant blame them either, again i know people that have lived there, and still do, its taken a significant toll on them and their family, with serous sleep deprivation, and other serious issues, try live under those type of conditions, and live a normal life, it causes serious stress in relationships....

...yes we re in desperate need of such facilities for students, but again, the damage is now done in this area.....

...ive been a student myself in the past, we of course had our parties and what not, but theres major differences to then and now, theres been a monumental rise in the use of drugs, especially class a's since then, this is causing a significant rise in antisocial behavior amongst its users, of which is extremely high amongst students, again, try live a normal life around such behaviors, and you ll know all about it....

...again, its highly unlikely that student residents would reduce in the surrounding areas, as thats what the properties were build for, this can be very lucrative for landlords, but many simply turn a blind eye to the anti-social behaviors, and as others have said, if the proposed is indeed a well managed facility, the problems will simply migrate to these surrounding areas....

...the only way around these issues is green field sites away from non student accommodation, to give these non student residents at least a chance of living a normal happy life, cause otherwise, its hell....

no, this is our now reality, i.e. nothing to do with northern ireland, nothing at all!

...theres clearly serious anti-social issues with a cohort of students, whom many are consuming extremely large amounts of cocaine, and other drugs, this is having a serious and detrimental effect on others, including inducing serious mental health issues, due to sleep deprivation from these anti-social behaviors....

...go and talk to these individuals, better again, go and stay with them during college term, and see for yourself....

...the site proposed is clearly surrounded by student and none student accommodation, in close proximity....

...significantly increasing student accommodation in the area is not a 'solution', its a big 'fcuk you' to those none student residents, that have been very negatively effected thus far.....

...i may stand corrected on this, but i believe such a proposal was made before, and was refused, so.....

15k students is debatable. The plan is for SETU to get to 25k, presently there is 19k students.

Waterford has 9k approx students. That would mean Waterford would need to obtain every single one of those places, with a new campus planned for Wexford and extending the Carlow Campus I don't see how we get to 15k students in Waterford unless the board grows a pair and establishes Waterford as the driving force behind SETU.

You would think that would occur as it's the most logical, a lot will depend where the minister of the day is!

i.e if Wexford have a full minister we will see funds made available for Wexford campus.

Same for Carlow/KK as it would be for Waterford. The whole sham of the TU, local politics will now play a major role.

Either way the accommodation is very welcome but also confirms the state of the TU process.

TUs unable to borrow from the ECB to build such developments in order to provide a revenue stream for further developments without depending on the minister of the day.

Instead these projects will be built and owned by private industry where the TUs make zero income from such developments.

Mr Frisby will own all the student accommodation, own and redevelop the old crystal office block and rent it to SETU. Master stroke by him.

I'm not convinced, IT Carlow rarely mentioned having a campus in Wexford as you said they had little interest in it.

Whereas SETU always state, Carlow, Waterford and Wexford Campuses.

They even hold graduate ceremonies in Wexford since the establishment of SETU. There seems to be a focus on Wexford with the whole "regional" balance that TUs play into these days.

Howlin and Wexford politicians in particular were very keen in getting SETU over the line they surely have something lined up.

That said I'll keep that talk for the SETU thread and let this thread get back to the kilbarry development

Looks good and to be honest the site is a mess currently. The not in my back yard brigade will probably still be out in force.

Why? It will be a building site the same as many others on the road to the Six Cross roundabout, none of which have caused any problems. There is a very large student village in Riverwalk and another opposite Morris's in The Manor which never cause any traffic problems.

Stop looking for difficulties in advance and winding up people.

I'm doing nothing of the sort, I live in a very close proximity to that area, the traffic up the kilbarry road is always very heavy at certain times of the day, the traffic coming upto that junction is very heavy at certain times a day, it will add to traffic in that area, Planning and adequate planning is what I have an issue with, all of the traffic that's on that main artery all leads to ONE lane coming off Six Cross Roads to the Outter Ring Road, and as a result backs traffic up way down nearly as far as the Tesco roundabout, Traffic will be impacted by this, The council aren't great at amending infrastructure as a result of massive amounts of building work over the past number of years, Templars, Foxwood, Tesco Carraig an Aird Musgraves etc etc etc

I don't think Nimbyism has anything to do with highlighting a problem that affects most road users, I mentioned my location as a means to justify the fact that I can see on a daily basis how busy that junction is and the traffic on it, I have nothing against this development it seems to be a nice development and here's hoping it goes well, but I do have concerns about the increase in traffic in that area and I think as a tax paying, voting citizen I am entitled to raise my concerns and furthermore I think debate is a good thing, I think its very dangerous if things get introduced without argument or debate. As to your comment about my previous posts I think that reflects more on you than me.

That proposed site will be on an already major junction that is already very busy, unlike that other places you mentioned.

I also have a concern when it comes to this particular developer, putting objections in on other major proposals in their own financial interests not in the interests of the community, Decathlon was blocked by Frisby on the basis that it would affect his business not because it would affect the greater good of the community.

I imagine the car parking spaces will be limited due to the proximity of the site to the college.

...theres far more traffic on the road nowadays, a significant proportion of students now also drive, compared to previous generations, yes students may walk to college from this location, but noting not all college activities take place on main campus, with some having to move between various locations, meaning they ll be driving, so....

...and again, there is now a significantly higher volume of vehicles on the road compared to previous generations, this includes a significantly higher volume of small trips including school runs, work related trips, and of course social related trips, this includes student traffic, as many students also have to balance their studies with work, and other life commitments, including social commitments, all of this increases the volume of traffic on our roads....

...yes its best we use current traffic situations such as the m50 to highlight what it is like when significantly increasing traffic in areas, and come to conclusions in order to try prevent traffic problems elsewhere, so great point, thank you....

For anyone who has or currently uses the college, the car park is an absolute nightmare, if you are a student staying in the newly proposed accommodation you will 100% walk over to the main campus as trying to get parking there is a disaster.

Any students with cars will most likely use them outside of peak hours so while it might see an increase in traffic I don't see if being a significant increase especially at peak times.

I'm not but if I was worried about added traffic volumes I'd probably be more concerned about the plans for the innovation Centre, if this is full of businesses the majority of people working there will drive to the location.

What's the alternative? Leave lands idle? Build housing? Which adds more traffic?

So you're comparing it to the M50 and we should be happy that its not like that.

Ill give an example of bad planning, if you come to the lights on the Cork Road outside Heaton Buckley(Chadwicks) if you want to turn left down towards Meadowbank and a bus happens to be stopped at the bus stop cars on a green light can no longer turn left on a green light as the bus blocks the progress of traffic as its at its stop, this then backs traffic up at that junction, that is bad planning, that stop should be no where near those traffic lights,

My concern is the proximity to those traffic lights and entrance and exits of cars into that new facility and of course extra traffic in that area, I'm not going to speculate on it any more that's just my opinion on it and time will tell, I will be avoiding that area in the mornings and evenings coming to and from work.

Not really no, I disagree

Might I suggest if you do intend to take your traffic management concerns further that you contact the council Road's Department and not the Planning Department.

So are you suggesting that students will add to the traffic congestion locally as they will be driving from the new development to the SETU campus during peak times….?

Another question….does the waterford urban area really suffer from traffic congestion..? outside the two week day peaks of 8am to 9am and 4:45pm to 6pm traffic flows fairly freely unless there is an accident or it’s the Friday of a long weekend…!

I'm sorry, traffic management is a part of planning if you're planning a new build traffic and entry exits are taken into consideration in planning and objections.