ISI Fighter Shamima Begum Not allowed to return to the UK

And that too was a knee jerk populist reaction.

The bloke would have voted Brexit, would you not agree? So it quite literally is a mere technicality.

Personally I don't give a hoot for what's done with the woman. It's just that the pontifications of the IQ zero's are sickening. The US and British governments provided the training grounds and territory for ISIS, the Iraq oil grab seemed a simple fight against a nasty dictator for the thinking impaired, but nothing in the Middle East comes without a price. So Begum might have seemed an asset for the terrrorists, but they would not even be in the headlines without Bush and Blair.

It's difficult to take a snapshot of a person or incident in isolation and dismiss it as good or bad. The less able do it all the time and delight in the "us" and "them" demarcation, in the real world when you get intelligent, informed opinion, right and wrong are sometimes subject to uncertainty, similar to the results of research at uni. Even a doctorate in physics or engineering would not be granted if there were no uncertainties referenced.

I am merely pointing out that Begum caused less damage to me than the Brexit voters and certainly caused less damage to UK democracy than the Brexit mob also.

The British and US governments can't have been totally wrong when they provided a nice dictator free base for ISIS can they :-)

No it's really not a "technicality". He was far more than just a random Brexit voter - he was a mentally unstable neo Nazi. Unless you're saying that all Brexit voters were neo Nazis, your "evidence" that anyone who voted Brexit did far more damage than Shamima Begum is laughable.

It's far from certain that someone like that would have even voted - he didn't exactly believe in the democratic system, did he?

Begum's actions led directly to people joining ISIS, and encouraged ISIS fighters to keep going, as well as the evidence that she herself became an ISIS "enforcer" among the women. And you think she did less harm than some poor eejit of a Welsh sheep farmer who was fooled into believing that the UK would pay them more than the CAP system? Or someone who believed an ad on the side of a bus about money for the NHS?

So groomed kids are at fault? Yes or no

14 when grooming started

After being assessed, in Britain.

WTF?? Brexit hurt you in the pocket, so therefore the ordinary people who voted for it are worse than someone who aided and abetted ISIS, who were actual sex slavers and murderers?? That is some very personal take on world affairs! Bit narrow, don't you think? Being kind!

Moreover, being from Northern Ireland, I think it's quite possible that Brexit is helping towards reunification - in which case Brexit will have been a very good thing. So by your logic, the people who voted for Brexit are good and kind people.

Is there anything similar to be said for supporters of ISIS?? Help me out here!

she is responsible for the decisions she makes once she reaches the age of responsibility as per british law.

the point i was making is that under 18 the law treats people slightly differently in terms of responsibility and punishment but responsibility still remains.

certain factors are taken into account under 18 that may not necessarily be over 18.

your attempt to claim people support and condone the killing of minorities by isis is thankfully not working for you.

she should be repatriated whatever because it's not other people's job to clean up britain's mess because it won't govern itself and wants to appeal to a certain group of people who should be given nothing.

i can confirm having read his posts in the thread at the time that your claim is inaccurate.

She was indeed. The court agreed.

Announcing the SIAC decision last February, Mr Justice Jay said "the real merits of Ms Begum's case" involved her arguments that she had been the victim of trafficking. The tribunal found there was a "credible suspicion" Ms Begum was "recruited, transferred and then harboured for the purpose of sexual exploitation".

Some rather uncomfortable opinion on this thread to be honest.

still cant help trying to put words in other peoples mouths ,

mind if i was trying to defend a active and eager member of isis id struggle too

I'm not judging you for it. Just disagreeing with you.

If she turns up at Dublin airport's immigration office tomorrow morning, identifies herself and requests asylum/protection under say the Geneva Convention of Refugees based partially on the fact that she's technically stateless (her citizenship being revoked) and many other reasons. The Dept. of Justice ''et.al'' are obliged to grant her temporary asylum until her case slowly meanders it's way thru the courts here and perhaps eventually in Europe's Court of Human Rights.

You seem to be of the opinion that she has no case but it's not so cut & dry. Read thru some of the post here for example OH ! she was underage, she was brainwashed, she was groomed, she was sex trafficked, her children died, she is suffering from PTSD etc etc..........get my drift.

She would be well settled here with perhaps two or more children by the time the European Court of Human Rights gives it's ruling on her case. Her lawyers/barristers will claim that she has mended her ways, is older wiser more mature now is an upstanding member of her community and is no longer a threat to society.

Their judgement will not just be based solely on her past deeds but on her future safety and human rights and that of her children (if any)

If it comes to pass, I would not be surprised if the court finds in her favour and direct that she and her family be granted permanent residence here.

It is said that Our Lord moves in mysterious ways - the same could be said about the courts system. They view the world thru a different prism than the rest of us. The phrase ivory towers comes to mind !

I hope she lives out her days in whatever s^it hole she currently resides in, she deserves all it's creature comforts😊