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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Not sure where your memory comes from. Sexton was ran into the ground by Ireland over the years, especially in the 6 nations last season at 37 years old.

    It wasn't a freak event at all - it was clearly coming as he struggled with injuries the whole tournament. Sexton picked up a knock during the Wales game and was questionable to be able to play against France due to it. Then he got injured during the France game having to come off and missed the Italy game. He returned only to be asked to play 70+ minutes on back to back weekends because for over a decade no other province could develop a challenger to him, despite Leinster young players being farmed out. It all ended with him not looking right during the England game and being kept on before him hobbling off in the 73rd minute.

    What he was paid has zero to do with the point, that is a positive of the central contracts that I've never contested. I was asked for an example of how a Leinster player carrying the Irish team has played a part in a Leinster loss and this is an obvious one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Why as a kid 30+ years ago do you believe you would/should have heard about what Leinster Rugby were doing? Why would you possibly think it makes sense to base your opinion on that? I'm not too far off the same vintage as you and had friends who went through the Leinster Rugby underage system, right through playing for the senior team. I wouldn't have had a clue the interactions Leinster Rugby had with students over the years if I wasn't hearing from them about all the camps, trips etc they involved in. It would whiff of arrogance that Leinster Rugby or any other provincial/national sporting body should be keeping a child aware of what they were doing and if I didnt know that they must be doing nothing.

    Leinster actually have 6 medals over the last decade, topped the domestic league 3 other times they didnt win, and came in runners up in 3 other CC finals. They definitely should have won more but top tier sport is very fine margins. Any other province would bite your hand off for a quarter of that success during a Leinster 'down' period - look at the recent reaction to a domestic league win that Leinster sent out the B team for. It is very clear you're not a Leinster fan, the jealousy and peddling of grievances gives it away.

    I'd prefer if it didn't but Irish rugby does revolve around Leinster - basically every metric points to that. Unfortunately, over the years each other province has made some terrible organisational errors, something Leinster thankfully minimised since they made the breakthrough during the Cheika era, and thankfully when they've misstopped they quickly pivoted to a better direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭ersatz


    This is a childish rant. Grievance is whining about how unfair the system is towards Leinster which you've done throughout this exchange. Not all Leinster fans are self absorbed fan boys but enough are to make it embarrassing.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,513 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Any team news from Leinster? Even the u12s? Anything but this utterly putrid shite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    I see 50+ new posts in the Leinster thread on a quiet weekend for Leinster.

    "Brilliant. A few must have been at the Sarries game and graciously gave updates on what happened!"

    Nope. Endless posts about hurling haha.

    Come on folks. This place is meant to be a sanctuary during international windows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Ed Byrne and Larmour potentially hitting cap #100 this week!

    How's that 'biscuits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    One day we may see Jamie Osborne, Andrew Osborne, Joe McCarthy, Paddy McCarthy, Harry Byrne and maybe Ross Byrne all in the same XV.


    Fiji v Ireland - Buckhurst Park, Suva, 20th June, 2026

    Keenan; A. Osborne, Ringrose, J.Osborne, Hansen; S. Prendergast, N. Doak, P. McCarthy, Sheehan, C. Doak; E. Edogbo, J. McCarthy; C. Prendergast, Doris, S. Edogbo

    Just the 5 sets of bros.



  • Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Plus Harry Byrne at 15 and Ross Byrne at 13? I'm pretty confident that team would beat Fiji at hurling - or are we back on rugby now? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    "...neither a stronghold for hurling"

    I'm going to set up a separate thread for this.


    That is; Bothers in Irish rugby

    not for Hurling in Irish rugby



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,876 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    andrew and Jamie osbourne have three more brothers coming through as well..... imagine a 10 to 15 of osbournes !!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    the younger brothers arent certain to come through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    I heard the 7 year old is actually a certainty to be the future at openside for both Leinster and Ireland



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,876 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Grievance is coming into the Leinster thread and taking multiple shots at their team and fanbase and dragging into the thread nonsense that has nothing to do with rugby, like the location of 'the courts, government administration, the law firms, the media companies, the corporate tax haven'. Tinfoil hat stuff.

    I never said it was unfair to Leinster - you keep moaning about and trying to knock down this complete strawman.

    The point was from my original post and continues to be that central contracts aren't the pure godsend with only positives like some people try to make out, especially when it suits them to moan about some special treatment for Leinster.

    My point that there are some drawbacks to players being on central contracts is not the same as saying they are unfair to the province involved. The evidence of the complaints over the last few months from certain elements of the media and other province fanbases around the impact of Irish involvement has on the few players that do have central contracts proves my point for me.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,513 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Surely Ben O'Connor would get a look in and if Shamus Hurley Langton is not Irish we'll get him on residency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Lol! Surely Hodnett or Penny, Irishmen! Will get a look in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    With there being no 6N this weekend and HB not getting a run last weekend I think there'll be a call from Farrell to get Harry into the 10 shirt this Friday to keep him sharp.

    This will likely spell disappointment for Sam although based on the teamsheet he got a good 80 minutes against Sarries.

    Similarly, Gunne has been lightly raced the last few weeks and probably will continue to be as 3rd choice. There's good AIL minutes available this week



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Garry Ringrose due to return against England. I wonder what the plan of action will be?

    Do they drop Henshaw who has played well?

    Do they move Ringrose to the wing even though Nash has played well?

    Do they go back to a 5-3 split so they can get one of Henshaw or Ringrose in the 23?

    Do they stick with the 6-2 and just drop one of the Centres?

    Going to be an interesting squad announcement later next week!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    Pretty sure Larmour and harry pictured training with Leinster this week.

    Milne played Saracens so assume he’s available and likely to be included.

    Heard a rumour Boyle might be the one leaving Leinster. Be very surprised and disappointed if it turns out to be true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Milne is leaving, Boyle isnt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    I'd honestly be surprised if either left. Cullen is really really good at getting guys to stay.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,513 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    One of Byrne, Boyle or Milne will surely go, with Paddy McCarthy presumably playing LH for the near future. Given Boyle's age and his minutes this year, and Milne's injury profile I'd say it's between EB and MM to move away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Boyle leaving would be bad for Leinster. There were rumors that he'd signed a contract before xmass. I'd put McCarthy on a development contract to avoid the Sharks from circling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Ed Byrne is fairly close to a move to Ulster I heard to replace Eric O'Sullivan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    That makes no sense to me.

    Sure there are 2 years between them but Byrne is a better prop (but not significantly so) and with more Irish caps to his name would probably cost a similar if not more of a wedge than EOS.

    I had heard EOS was a budget concern in which case they're not solving it with bringing in Byrne.

    Now if Byrne wants more first level rugby than perhaps thats a different case but he's hardly going to be getting European knock out minutes up at Ulster for a few seasons by all accounts



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    O'Sullivan will struggle to get signed in Ireland, imo. He's probably looking overseas for a potential team. It's a shame he didn't kick on. I can't see the sense of Ulster signing Byrne? At 30 years old he's probably not cheap.

    I think Tector will be going to Ulster, if they are not getting HB or Frawley.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ah we have reached the point where some people absolutely have to leave. I don't even think keeping Byrne, Boyle and Milne in any way benefits Leinster - not like it is a trio of superstars.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,513 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I'd say it's a budget concern if they're paying him and he's not starting or even playing that often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Who's got the higher ceiling Boyle or PMc?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,513 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Hard to say. Either of them could be a 50 cap international or be forgotten about in 3 years. Paddy seems to have that ludicrous McCarthy strength but Boyle has shades of a young Healy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Anyone remember that Healy try ( possibly brought back for foot in touch but so long ago I can't remember) up in Glasgow is his first season?


    Scrum cap on and serious gas up the left wing. Christ I'm old.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    Boyle could be a superstar of those three. McCarthy has higher ceiling than that even but he has a weird body for a prop.

    Edit: boyle would be the best young player that leinster have lost since carbery probably, which makes it feel pretty unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,751 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Will be interesting to see if they can bulk McCarthy up enough, he didn't look like a prop at 20s level. Looked a brilliant rugby player though



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I can say with near certainty Boyle or McCarthy aren't going anywhere. Milne maybe but even I don't think he goes. All the looseheads are waiting on what happens with Healy before they announce a move. If he announces his retirement, you can expect Milne to probably stay, if he says one more year which it looks like will be the case, Milne will make the move to Munster and Ed Byrne probably makes his move to Ulster. Leinster know what they have in Boyle and McCarthy and won't allow them to leave.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,513 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I know online stats are notoriously unreliable but I see him listed at 1m98 for 119kg. Sounds more like Joe's size.

    With him and Barron in the front row we're 2/3rds of the way to the most unusual looking trio in club rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Paddy McCarthy is about 6'3, 115kg.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,513 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Sounds about right for a young loosehead. He just has an unusual build.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Does anyone find it a bit odd that Leinster haven't announced a replacement for Michael Ala'alatoa yet? They are usually fairly on the ball and looking to get signings done early in the season so the focus can be on the business end of the season. The fact that they enquired about getting Tom O'Toole means that they are on the hunt for someone currently and are in the middle of searching. Asking about Tom O'Toole also shows they want a borderline starter at the position to take the weight off Furlong's shoulders too, so I wouldn't be shocked if it is a relatively big signing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Does anyone find it a bit odd that Leinster haven't announced a replacement for Michael Ala'alatoa yet?

    I was thinking that myself on the commute to work this morning. Hopefully it will be soon enough as Clarkson & McGuire will need some support next year given Furlong's increasing absence.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I honestly think they are potentially looking to move Furlong to the Healy role on the bench. Having Healy off the bench the last number of seasons since Porters emergence has been so valuable to Leinster. I think Leinster and Ireland both understand the Furlong needs a reduced role for club and country and with Bealham, O'Toole and Jager, they can lighten the load for Ireland. With Leinster, they currently don't have that luxury.

    The only reason why I think they haven't pulled the trigger is that they might be waiting to see what happens with the Rebels in Australia and see if they can land Taniela Tupou. Obviously that is a dream signing and therefore unlikely but I didn't think they would sign Snyman and they did, so here's hoping!



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,876 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Bealham is older than Furlong, so his pasture time is coming quicker than tadghs.

    I can't see the irfu planning on Furlongs reduced role and envisaging bealhams role increasing. Both will be the main stay until the next RWC, at which point hopefully both Jager and TOT will have about 30 caps between them.

    I still think TOT is a viable option for Leinster, should his head be turned. Ala'alatoa has appeared in almost 60 Leinster games in 2 1/2 seasons, starting almost 60% of games. That level of game time could be attractive to many top level THs, especially in view of Furlong being even minded as he gets older.


    Tupou would be an incredible signing. I can imagine his relationship with ARU is very frayed after the whole goings on with the rebels, and I can see him saying f-u I'm going for a pay day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Furlong may require a reduced role going forward, but currently he's playing his best rugby in a few years. Been very impressive this Six Nations. We may never see the side stepping, skip passing tight head he was at his peak, but he's carrying and hitting very hard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭jonok28


    When I said reduced role I didn't mean in terms of age I meant in terms of reduced workload.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Furlong is going to end up playing a similar role to what Sexton done for the last few years, he will play Ireland games, hopefully the majority when fit, the European games and maybe the odd URC if he needs to get game fitness]

    Apart from that I don't expect to see him playing for Leinster at all.

    In reality if he can get enough match fitness in Europe he won't play a URC game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    he has been playing that role for the most part for a few years.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,876 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    If Ulster lose McCloskey and spend actual money on ed byrne, i'll be pretty unhappy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Scrummaging Twitter would explode if Tupou and Porter played for the same team



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