ISI Fighter Shamima Begum Not allowed to return to the UK

Lol

Apparently I was a very advanced 15 year to know murder is bad.

A very advanced life lesson.

just looking at that list, quite a lot of stuff on there the IDF are guilty of.

anyway, his post is not what you claim it to be.

That would be the logical thing to do, but sadly common sense is not that common and politicians have a knack of standing back from high profile/controversial cases when it suits and let the legal system take over.

Our current minister for justice has the back bone of a snail and could not be trusted to do the right thing if such a case landed on her desk.

It must be so comforting to have all the answers. To know instantly what's right and wrong by gut feeling and sensationalised tabloid idiot fodder.

Why is it only Trumps cult that get to wear MAGA hat's, I get the impression there's a lot this side of the pod who are equally self assured "kindred spirits".

I suspect strongly that the woman is simply a martyr to the popularity of a few totally useless UK Tory MP's.

At least it shows these Muslims the true meaning of Christianity today :-)

I'm far from an expert but I have read a lot about cults. And many people who are smart and capable end up being sucked into them. So it's entirely possible that she was groomed into this cult. Likewise there are many teenagers who are groomed into committing sex acts by adults. I have a feeling that the people who think that she couldn't have been groomed by ISIS might not believe that grooming is a real thing at all. They think there's no such thing as a teenage victim who can be made to believe something by an older person.

Still, without an actual trial, with actual evidence being presented, a lot of this is speculation. And that's what annoys me about this. A politician removed someones citizenship because they wanted to. There was no trial. There was no due process. Removing citizenship is a very big step to do. You can put someone in prison, but generally they'll get out. That can't happen in this case. The only appeals are about whether or not it was a legal decision, not based on whether or not she actually committed a crime.

Any serious punishment a government inflicts on it's citizens, must involve a trial. It can't be based on the whims of a politician.

She signed up for that experience.

When did 15 year olds start being treated as 5 year olds?

It's behind a paywall, but I am truly flabbergasted if that piece of Tory garbage is supporting her.

If Ms Begum wants to lay claim to any shred of decency, she needs to distance herself from Mogg and the rest of the current Tory cabal completely.

OMG

You have less of a problem with her chosen association with the killers and rapists of ISIS than with the UK Conservative Party.

I suspect your own support for her is more harmful to her cause than Rees Mogg's ever can be!

Here's what Rees Mogg bases his argument on:

So because it's Rees Mogg (who is "garbage") I take it you disagree with him?

I mean he's a Tory so he's evil and wrong?

she signed up to isis yes, but did not sign up to be raped and be a child bride as both of those are crimes and she could not consent to both at 15 as that is not possible legally.

Legally ? legally in the area she went to voluntarily and involved herself with great glee in the Islamic state . what was legal and what wasnt legal in isis controlled areas , please inform us all

My support?

Can you read?

When did I give that person as an individual support? I have the utmost contempt for yet another easily manipulated adolescent. I do respect her human rights though.

It hardly comes as a surprise that Mogg should quote Rhodes, both are equally contemptible.

Yes Mogg is evil and wrong, full stop. He deceived people over Brexit and continues to deceive. I could buy in ounces in the UK before Brexit and here in the EU I can buy a 2kW or even 3kW vacuum if I wish, his lies have cost jobs and money. He is old enough and experienced enough to know right from wrong. What's more I do not believe he would be at risk of being "groomed" by anyone without vast sums of cash as an attractant.

Begum didn't harm her fellow citizens through greed, Mogg and his Tory cabal did.

I'm glad the article you posted was behind a paywall, it actually belongs in the bin though, it's the biggest pile of cobblers I have ever heard.

As I suspected, Ms Begum would have to have a very low level of moral fibre to give that Tory garbage any credence.

Wrong again I'm afraid.

She is not duty bound to do anything whatsoever apart from obey the laws and respect the country and citizens of whatever country she resides in, although being a refugee and not having free choice that's a tad more complex a situation.

As someone born in England and technically still British, I can assure you that Rhodes is wrong, totally wrong. Mogg is therefore wrong.

No one is duty bound to accept anything from Mogg and his ilk, but for a statement to have value, it must come from a reliable, reputable source for most people anyway.

Having someone writing a job reference for me from a prison cell would be rejected, not from a sense of duty, more a case of having a basic sense of values and self respect.

Do you understand?

Mogg might be the pinnacle of humanity to you, someone to look up to and try in your own small way to emulate, but to us more enlightened souls, he has a lot in common with the stuff you find adhering to your footwear when dog owners don't "poop scoop".

I would run a mile to avoid any social event with either Mogg or Begum present, but if forced into the company of one, I would choose Begum. She has not lied to me and not harmed myself and fellow citizens in any way. Mogg has.