Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

No problem Anna.

I replied to GGs original post.

You are missing the point.

If all 3 electable parties have a pro immigration stance, then the polls can read 100% against the current immigration stance.

It still doesnt mean there will be a change in policy, simply because there is no political threat to govt policy.

No party is offering an alternative approach so the point has no real bearing on govt formation.

The most important upcoming election regarding immigration to Ireland is not the general election but the US presidential election on November 5th. A victory for Biden or another Democrat and our current immigration policy goes on for the next four years at least. I hate to state that the only way numbers may be limited or significantly reduced is if Trump (assuming he's the Republican nominee) wins as Trump has made it clear he will end the war by, presumably, seeking a deal with Putin.

Trump will likley win and that will have a slowing effect on Ukranian emigration, assumimg Trump is able to pacify Putin.

But it wont have any effect on global asylum immigratiom, which is still yet to peak obviously.

You my friend are delusional if you think Putin will stop let alone Trump can stop him.

Don’t be so naive.

It is not conflicting messages. You seems to have problem acknowledging that this issue and many other issues are not strictly black and white. There is not us against them or two camps or anything like that. Person can be pro immigration yet totally opposed to current policies or open border policy.

Some people like to label others with all kinds of *ism labels if they deviate just alittle from their own belief but fact is that this and many more topics cant be defined and people divided as simply pro or against camp.

Indeed, the people citing immigration as a concern are still going to vote for FF, FG, SF, Lab, SDs, PBP etc in the elections. It would be a mistake to take these polls and view them as evidence of the Irish public becoming radicalised and moving towards the right or even the far right. People are hardly going to become committed right wingers over a solitary issue that's in the news at the moment.

Thanks jj.

Was thinking, what a world some are looking for.. Trump to win and then the supposed leader of the free world to fawn or worse over Putin (again!) in the hope of stopping immigration from Ukraine!

As if Ukrainians or anybody else in the surrounding countries will be staying happily at home given that scenario, never mind Putin free to carry on expanding his empire?!

Are you looking for an alternative? You talk about it a lot.

No, not personally.

I am just commenting on the macro situation.

I do feel that a lot of people are looking for an alternative though.

I dont share their view, but that doesnt mean I can't be honest with what I see in front of me.

Most of the countries that have strong far right parties have a history of right wing or hard right parties : Germany, Italy, Belgium, NL etc.

We are quite the outlier in Europe in that our politics has never gone out to the extremes of right or left, it's not really in our political DNA....we must be one of the most stable democracies out there.

I mention alternatives because I think a lot of people are looking for one.

Thats just the reading I take from peoples opinions.

I think this will probably manifest itself in high votes for independents at the GE, should they field enough candidates.

Which will make for a diluted govt.

I would say the govt needs to do a better job on communciation and explaining the positives about immigration. But thats a battle lost at present, sadly.

A Trump win will embolden Putin to keep pushing and taking more territory meaning a bigger increase in Refugees.

Putin said it himself, he has no plans to stop and will continue on regardless.

People believing what comes out of Trumps mouth really has me worried for our future.

No party needs an anti immigration stance.

I think a moderate approach that was thoughful and had longevity is a good idea, yes.

Make some adjustments and invest in resources and infrastrucutre to manage asylum immigration for the long term, because it is going to be forever present.

Lets hope O'Gorman has a vision and a plan when we hear about the large scale state owned asylum accomodation plan.

jesus people on here are obsessed with this far right who are nothing more than a bunch of knuckle draggers. They are a long way of forming any kind of party that would entice people en mass to vote for them.

One of the established parties will get tougher on immigration to save their skin.

As for far right? nah.