Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Most people here used their recycle bin as prescribed for recyclable materials, they are the people most put out by this scheme..stating the obvious here.

The lads on the collection trucks aren't going to empty every bin and sift through it to make sure it only has the correct waste included. It would be very easy to hide general rubbish under grass clippings and food waste in the compost bin or under recycling.

I'm sure the majority of householders at least try to use them correctly, but there's always idiots who do as they please. The fact that recycling and compost bins are cheaper if you pay per lift or per weight will only encourage these idiots.

Unfortunately, having us all storing and returning plastic and aluminium cans won't change that, but we all have to suffer regardless.

Add in the other issues highlighted - those who don't drive, shop online with no option to return etc, and it gets more ridiculous.

I'm sure Eamon is whizzing around on his bike with a bag of empty cans thinking he's a great lad though.

Of course I accept that not everybody does a shopping trip. The vast vast majority of people do and this has been my point all along

To be fair you do realise you are in a small minority of people in the way you do your shopping and making laws to convenience the minority at the expense of the majority isn't a good way to run a country

With that being said if the majority of the population want this scheme gone we should see any political party who is against it succeed in the next general election...

I don't see any major or minor parties coming out promising to repeal it though, do you? Genuine question

Yea cause we're all flithy pigs in this country and thats how we roll🙄, in our own filth

Let's assume you are right with your figures.

Who is going to be more put out by this scheme,.those who had a convenient way or recycling in the first instance and who engaged with it or those that couldn't give a toss about recycling?

You just need to read through this thread for your answer.

The scheme might work if the machines actually operate at least 50% of the time. 3 at my local Tesco have been down every time I've tried to return... Great start.

The majority of people were already recycling.

The scheme needs to get to 90% success doesn't it?

So the majority - minority argument doesn't apply here because it needs the minorities too.

So how many of these "minorities" can the scheme afford to give two fingers to and still hit that target?

Doesn't look good to me.

The advice is to drive around until you find one that is working, park, maybe pay for parking, use the machine, queue up at the till or customer service if they have one, get your 60 cent cash, drive back to where you do your actual shopping and go home.

Obviously that 60 cent is not going to cover your fuel, time, or parking. But it's for the environment so tough.

But that is only marginally different to what you are used do, walk the few yards to your own bin and get on with your life.

Shut up and put up!

I saw a post online of how it works in Sweden. They can empty a full bag of bottles at once into the machine. It scans and rejects bottles if not suitable. The guy must have emptied about 50 bottles in it at once.

In Ireland, its one bottle at a time. It would take how long here?

From May when this hare brained system is fully in place , can you imagine the queues of people emptying one by one.

Backward irish system.

How it is any more efficient or convenient than putting it in your green bin?

No need to assume, the 60% figure has been proven many times

As I say the ones who will be most put out by the scheme are the ones who recycling and proper disposal of waste are complete alien concepts. That's not to say others won't be put out, but the ones most put out will be the other 40%

This thread is full of people who claim to use their bins properly, some are claiming there will be extra car journeys and queues at RVMs but to be fair none of these claims can be proven beyond reasonable doubt

Using maths as my proof here, 60% were recycling, 40% weren't, we need to keep that 60% and bring 75% of the remaining 40% (30% of the overall) with us

It's worked in Germany so the only reason it won't happen here is if it's implemented poorly... Ahem

They have a very poor and inconvenient system in California and still get 80%+ returns so that would be the floor level I think

The 60% figure only refers to one aspect of this sh1tshow and is an approximation.

If recycling and disposal of waste are complete alien concepts to a person, this isn't even gonna cross their sphere of interest. You think that some who can't be bothered to behave like an adult prior to now is someone going to do it now with all of the additional hoops to jump through for the sake of a few cent here and there?

I have used the recycle bin for decades, my kids are taught to use it (there should be more public ones), I've engaged with this scheme primarily to show my kids what is involved and the two times I have gone out of my way to bring back a bag of bottles/cans less that 10 percent of the items were accepted, one of the machines was broken down and there were issues with the refund voucher. There were various caveats no doubt around the items we deposited no doubt but I really dont have the time/interest in reviewing each item invididually to figure out why these things happened, I know I paid a deposit on almost all of them - so I lose money there. I also pay more for my recycle bin, lose money there. Am less likely to waste my time having experiences like the above in future and will probably end up putting most of the items in the recycle bin. Will that help the "figures"?

Of course there will be extra car journeys. There's no way there CANNOT be extra car journeys as a result of this scheme. You don't need to prove that. It's a logical assumption based on some very simple facts.