Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Alot of crying about this scheme. I always recycled but this is unfortunately the way its going to be so suck it up, it ain't the end of the world.

You have 3 options

1. Use the RVM and get your deposit back
2. Pay the deposit, chuck your recycling in your bin, get no deposit back
3. stop buying plastic containers and cans

Differing grades of half arsed then, such fun.

It aint the end of the world and of course there are options -all of which come with their downsides.

1. Use the RVM and get your deposit back. Numerous examples on this thread of that not being as simple as it sounds.
2. Pay the deposit, chuch your recucling in your bin, get no deposit back. If enough people do this then then we are told we will not reach our mandated collection targets. DRS scheme is a failure - what happens next?
3. Stop buyin plastic containers and cans. This currently is difficult to do however its probably the best outcome as it will put pressure on manufacturers to come up with more sustainable packaging. There were other ways to do this thought.

However - the project management of the roll out of this sheme has been an absolute sh1tshow never mind the work done in the first instance to review how best to enhance recycling rates in this country.

They've essentially torn apart a scheme that significant numbers had been engaged with without ANY thought for the implications of same.

I hope that this is a facetious comment. I fully understand some people's annoyance with the scheme, it's far from perfect and plenty of teething issues to be sorted out.

Surely if you've been recycling and disposing of your litter in an appropriate way previously you're not just going to start dumping them wherever you want?

If all the houses in one housing estate order their delivery for arrival during the same window, sure, if 3% of the estate do it, not so much

A bit like your public transport argument it only works if lots of people get on board with the idea. If a bus is only ferrying 3 or 4 people it's not as efficient

Home grocery deliveries usually cost around €8 on average, that's the equivalent of 32 cans or bottles over 500ml going into the recycling bin instead of the RVM so somebody who can afford one can probably afford the other

Not everyone is in a position to walk or cycle to an RVM that may or may not be working

Again, policy should not be set on what suits minorities

This is where shopping is going, at least in certain areas. I said my example is a "future" not a now.

3% of people shopping on line takes a significant amount of cars off the road. Better still if the vehicles delivering the shopping are electric. It's a complete NO BRAINER as the benefits to the environment. With the advancement of the scheduling systems that these shops use (amending cost per delivery to better fit in with locations of other deliveries etc etc, enticing people from the same areas to seek deliveries around the same times etc (these are all software solutions) you can see why the benefits to the environment aren't even close to being achieved yet.

If you are going to tell me the opposite - that online shopping in a manner such as the above is WORSE for the environment than the alternative you had better be able to back it up - and you cant.

And if they can afford the other what happens the statistics, which is essentially what this DRS is all about - collection rates.

Not much good if a larger percentage of the population decide, for one reason or another, to carry on as they were. You have a complete white elephant of a system in place and aren't getting anywhere near what you had designed the system to do.

I am not saying to set policies to suit minorities but at least think about all use cases and try and bring in as many people as possible to whatever you are trying to achieve.

The vast majority do the right thing already - it's the minority that don't - you've stated that yourself.

If you can't see the amount of people this scheme has annoyed, in an area where you are hoping for mass uptake, youve missed something.

The same poster who continuously makes all these broad sweeping generalisations about what "most people" and "vast majorities" do, but provides no sources for these various claims, will then say "we have no proof of that" when challenged about extra car journeys, etc.

Logical thinking, my ass. Logical to them = it works fine for me, so let's ignore the problems.

Are you trying to suggest that the vast majority of people don't shop in-store and won't be bringing their recycling with them on the same journeys they use when doing the shopping?

In fairness I've asked on numerous occasions for proof of some fairly wild accusations being made here and never had a solid bit of evidence given in response

It's a growing number, its reduces the amount of car trips and is a much more environmentally friendly way of shopping.

National policies should be promoting it, not making it more difficult.

i will be highly surprised if it changes the behaviour of those who already littered with these items

In every other country that introduced a DRS recycling rates increased, what makes you think it won't happen in Ireland?

Apologies, it was me that brought the 3% figure into it - thanks for the correction - makes the logic being applied by one poster even worse.

Because we have a well established process in place already whereby bins are collected from ones place of residence, are convenient and people are used to using that system.

You only have to look at your own attitude and that of some more that seem to say, well look, if you don't like it, keep using your recycle bin for these items, without appreciating that if that happens in high enough numbers (and there's plenty on this thread saying they will continue to do it) then the DRS scheme is a massive failure.