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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Hmmmm... all very strange.

    When you joined you were talking about "uncontrolled immigration" and you were sceptical about the Soc Dems.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yes & the numbers still arent controlled.

    But I do think the Soc Dems can help support the messaging better than the current govt & hopefully inject some urgency into house building and infrastructure, with Holly's plan to move towards 50k homes per year.

    Whether they will get in to govt is another matter though.

    50/50 chance I'd say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Off topic ? You brought those lads up, I just pointed out they’re not exactly independent observers



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Well, we had Holly out recently and her heart was breaking for the economic migrants and the passport trashers - She seemed to imply that her solutions would include modular homes for them (money no object it seems) She's also a huge fan of the goddess, that is Catherine Day - Holly was on about the pre-famine population too a couple of weeks ago...which was gas. Her advisors, a bit like FG's, are idiots

    Is that the FG policy now...to court/big up the Soc Dems as a potential coalition partner as the poor Greens will be vaporised?

    The Soc Dems must never be let near government, especially if they end up being the tail wagging the dog, à la the GP - The SDs are wetter than the North Atlantic

    I know Anna and Goldie were wondering where you stand on things last night - It's visible from space afaiac



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭tom23


    I agree with every single word of this post. Soc Dems would be an absolute disaster in goverment. Its akin to them on a sinking titanic detonating a couple of torpedoes to make it sink faster.

    Modular homes. FFs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I wouldnt say the Soc Dems are a shoe in for coalition party, but if FFG lock SF out of govt, which I think they will do (again), FFG will need additional seats to form a govt and the Soc Dems may have the seat count and common ground they are looking for.

    It could equally be a band of independents that make up the govt with FFG, however.

    I think there will be more independents than usual in the Dail this time around, as the anti immigration vote steers that way.

    What would your issue be with modular homes out of interest?

    Do you see another shortish term solution to housing IPAs and the growing population at large?

    Its going to be difficult to hit the 50k new homes per year without modular I would say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,581 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Modular homes as a concept is good but if we tried to do this large scale it would be a disaster.

    Like asylum seekers in the hotels it would quickly end up being focused on funnelling vast sums of taxpayers money to a small number of well connected individuals. Completion targets would fall massively behind, short cuts would be taken and costs would be out of control. Corruption and incompetence would be rife.

    We would be better off setting up US style trailer parks, at least it might be cheaper.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,391 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    When I heard a hotelier say a few weeks ago on RTE the Ukraine war has been lucky and a great boost for hotels I knew this whole thing is about a select few making billions off the tax payer.


    Imagine having the balls to say the invasion and murder of innocents has been great for your business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    "Ukraine will fight on regardless of the US or not". . . . . Yea. . Sure it will!

    This is a US war using Ukrainians to do the fighting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Its not connected at all!

    There is no global conspiracy, designed to enrich a few rural hoteiliers in Ireland. Lol.

    What is happening is that the govt, along with other EU countries, is trying to support the plight of the IPAs seeking shelter in Europe, as part of a humanitarian response. A response which is not going to go away, I might add.

    In order to provide the support needed, the govt is offering money to house the IPAs, simply because it doesnt currently have enough state owned accomodation to provide for same.

    There is no global conspiracy!

    You sound like a crazed anti vaxxer or 5G controls our minds, cash is king, looney type.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Is there any country in Europe that multiculturalism has worked out? If so tell me. Scandinavia countries have seem'd to have enough of it. So if they couldn't make the utopian dream work, what makes you think we can?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,391 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    What would your issue be with modular homes out of interest?

    You have just asked me what my problem is with taxpayers money being spent supplying modular homes for 1000's of economic migrants and passport trashers - the same modular homes built by people that are also involved in companies like Tetrarch (Citywest), making 10's of millions off the back of this shambles

    Unbelievable


    ...but if FFG lock SF out of govt, which I think they will do (again),

    You've said that a few times now and portray it as some sort of a fait accompli - Unless you have seen some internal research that we aren't privy to, that's pure spin



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    So how do you suggest the asylum seekers are housed? Do you have a cheaper alternative, perhaps?

    Modular homes are already an approved govt response. There is nothing new here.

    FFG locking SF out is only my personal opinion, buy hey, they did it last time. So there's that...



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Support messaging? You're a bit deluded if you think messaging is the only problem politicians face in this country right now.

    Your posts don't add up at all. You have gone from being anti immigration/anti refugee to supposedly pro immigration/pro refugee and cynical/sceptical about soc dems to cheerleaders them just for the messaging 🤣.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Hoboo




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    How about these chancers don't come here, that would be a start. We have our own stuff to deal with domestically. Is that to hard to comprehend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,391 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    He’s right about what?


    That Russia invaded a sovereign democratic nation that asked for help and America AND Europe agreed to.


    Have you forgotten Europe and countries from all over the world are helping Ukraine.


    But something something America…

    Putin has deliberately flooded Europe with refugees from Ukraine and Africa, yet it’s all somehow Americas fault.


    What a depressing state we are in with this nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    So how do you suggest the asylum seekers are housed? Do you have a cheaper alternative, perhaps?

    The cheaper alternative would be for someone in there to grow a pair of testicles - Even a teeny-weeny little pair would do

    That way we wouldn't have to deal with the chancers and the passport trashers - The various ways of stopping/reducing the chancers have been covered over and over again in these threads. There's just no will to try - If Govt wanted to stop/reduce it, it would be stopped/reduced


    Jaysus Blue, you're losing the room on all sides wha?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 23,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Back on topic please



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  • Registered Users Posts: 36 Plutarch


    Time for a zero refugee policy? - No. Time for an end to the lunacy that we're seeing? Yes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I was never anti immigration. I havent made any anti immigrant posts at all, quite the opposite in fact.

    I didnt say messaging is the only thing the govt need to do. I said it could be better and the Soc Dems can help on that, and other fronts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Nah. Im not fooled. Your talk of "uncontrolled immigration" says it.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Realistically, there isnt a playbook that says we wont be supporting IPAs into the future.

    So we have 2 choices.

    We can either work together, plan and resource properly for the event, or we can go round and round in circles, disagreeing with each other and breeding hate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Wanting to control your border/ country is not hate, it's common sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I think you have a point in that failed asylum seekers could be processed faster. That should be part of the planning, of course.

    But even if that were the case, we would still house the legitimate asylum seekers, so provision for that eventuality still needs to take place.

    And there will be many more in need of asylum in the future. I think everyone can see that.



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