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Fencing costs

  • 26-02-2024 8:49am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19


    Hi all,

    I have approx 1700M of boundary fencing to do. Newly cleaned up land where ditches have been cut back and drains cleaned. All I’ll have on the land will be cattle who are generally quite quiet and content. Problem is my neighbour who has sheep and cattle who are very fond of wandering and has no fencing on their side. What is peoples suggestions on best options?

    I was planning sheep wire and 2 strands of barbed. Contractor quoting €4/M for erecting with me supplying all materials. Is this excessive? Rough costs on it at the moment is approx €15K so any suggestions to reduce greatly appreciated.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    By way of comparison, the TAMS reference cost for sheep fencing is €6.75 per metre, including materials and labour.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Newbie2023


    Thanks for that. Gives me an idea for costs. Still unsure whether to apply for grant on fencing as I have some old Creosote strainers that I plan on using and not sure whether I can still use these in case of inspection.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I wouldn't apply for the grant. Too much hassle and you don't save that much. It also delays the work by months.

    If you applied for TAMS in the morning, it could be late Summer before you're approved (maybe later). And you can't start the work until you get approval.

    Others might have better experience of TAMS thou - this is only my take on it.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭Aravo


    On that length of fencing, I would be going tams route. Sheep wire and 1 row of barb might do aswell. The grant only covers one row of barb above the sheep wire. I have usually for a visit to the local dept office gets things moving faster. Is the other neighbour opposite for the full 1700m.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    If you have only cattle a row of electric fence should do. It's up to your neighbour to keep his stock under control



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,751 ✭✭✭limo_100


    What posts are people finding good now for sheep wire fencing without the creosol?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭Aravo


    I find PDM treated posts are generally good. But like with most things you will pay for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭older by the day


    I see a neighbor over the road has redone all his paddocks with plastic posts, nice looking job...

    I wonder could I home make a few, no shortage of plastic here.

    Its hard to beat the professional for wiring. especially the sheep wiring. Would they not supply the materials.

    With that size of job, I would be ringing the advisor and asking about tams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


    I applied for TAMS for fencing in the first Tranche. Still no green light, the OP would be pushing it down the road till this time next year at least I would imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Newbie2023


    Thanks all for your replies. That particular neighbour borders me for most of the 1,700M so no real alternative but to fence it.

    more chance of me landing on the moon than him fencing his own ground.

    I will look at the tams route and see if I can push it on. Needs to be done ASAP as it is wide open at the moment after cutting ditches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭monseiur


    To reduce costs 3 foot sheep wire with one strand of heavy guage barbed wire on top will do. Sheep to tend to go under fence not over it so keep it close to the ground - you may have to back fill dips in ground after. Have a chat with neighbour he may go 50/50 or even 70/30 would help. A load shared is a load halved as the saying goes.

    The best (but probably not the cheapest) fencing post is the imported ones from Latvia. Due to the much colder winters in eastern Europe the trees grow at a slower rate so are much harder and last longer. Home grown timber is too soft due to growing almost all the year around in a constantly damp climate. Most are just single dipped and start rotting the day they're put in the ground. The closer together the growth rings are the better the post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,216 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Bought 100 x 6ft cresote posts from newry for just over €1100 delivered. Apparently the real deal. Fencing man here recommended them, getting them Friday will take a photo, just checked was €1185



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Newbie2023


    Thanks for reply. I’ve spoken with neighbour already and he’s not interested in sharing costs.


    On the TAMS procedure if I were to apply for fencing will this eat in to my investment ceiling of €90K? I plan on putting up a slatted shed in 2025 which will be submitted under the next tranche and will be at least 90K. If I were to apply for fencing grant on current tranche will this be affected or does it reset after each tranche or would I have to wait until TAMS4 if it comes. I have the green cert and would qualify for 60% grant as young farmer. Sorry for all the questions but I’m new to this game but learning fast!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Newbie2023


    On price of posts.

    I have used those Latvian 6ft posts with 8ft creosote strainers on another plot of land fenced last year. Seem a great post.

    €6.80 + vat for 6ft & €32 for the strainers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Can you say where you got them? Price seems very good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭dmakc


    It will indeed eat into your ceiling of 90k. Resets to zero for TAMS 4 but that's a lifetime away at this rate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Also looking into fencing myself at the minute and the TAMS specs seem to bring a lot of work for what's needed in reality. I don't fancy putting 7ft strainers 3ft into hard ground

    Given your urgency for fencing I'd go DIY fencing and save the grant for the shed if as you say it'll go beyond the 90k (assuming you're not in partnership in which case ceiling is 160k). I put in for fencing last June and still not approved.

    I also don't think you can select sheep fencing if you only have cattle, you'd be restricted to bovine at €2.77/m rate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Newbie2023


    That’s what I paid last year in Frazers,

    kingscourt, Cavan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Newbie2023


    Thanks. No partnership here. Also I was thinking that with me not having sheep I wouldn’t be able to do sheep fencing.

    contractor quoted €4/m to put up. Does this seem excessive to people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Is the open drain on your side of the hedge or your neighbours?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Newbie2023


    Open drain is my side so I plan on piping & stoning the drain and putting the fence in tight as possible to the ditch on top of the drain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    4 euro a metre sounds about the going rate but totally depends on the fence.Whats the ground like, how many sections, how many turns etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


    How tight is the open drain to the ditch at the moment? If you are back-filling this and have the fence on top of it I'd imagine you will need an extra foot or 2 on the length of the strainer as I will get very little stability from the backfill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Expect the stock on the other side to make bits of the ditch. Advise planting two lines of quicks and blackthorn on ditch to give a stock proof hedge in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 482 ✭✭HHH


    Is the drain taking water from your land or the neighbour's? You could bung the drain most of the way to flood a non compliant neighbour? Very petty approach but an option!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭red_diesel


    Are the Clipex posts an option? I haven't used them myself but looking to do boundary fencing, a bit each year, and I think they'd work out well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,216 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    These are the posts I got




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Their from one of the Scandinavian countries, used alot of them here, great posts, especially on rocky ground they don't split like the pdm ones



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭leoch


    how do lads drive or put posts or stakes into rocky or hard ground?? some places i would need a rock breaker to make a hole first im just wondering wat lads do??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,216 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Would put concrete around the base in some cases



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Not stones or rock but have to deal with solid pencil when driving corner/strainer posts. Have hired out a mini digger with a post hole auger and that worked well. Another time they didn’t have an auger so dug the hole, filled it in again and drove the post in that spot. Solid as could be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭minerleague


    I'd be very slow to pipe an open drain, first the cost of pipes and it will take a lot more stone than you think, second it won't take surface water away as quick. I put a strand of electric on my neighbours side to stop cattle getting on to the ditch as they would be pushed through fence at my side from higher up on the bank ( plus the hedge was being destroyed ) 2 strands of electric at his side if he has sheep?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    With the latest TAMS there is no need to have sheep to qualify. Previously you had to have 40 ewes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Newbie2023



    It's probably 6ft out from the ditch and not overly deep. Plan is to pipe it and fill with stone and use 8FT strainers. Done it before on a bit last year and seemed to work well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Jumping on this thread if that is ok.

    Wondering what is the best long lasting option for fencing a piece of land approx 170m, no sheep, some cows around.

    Three/Four strands of barbed wire only or sheep wire with one strand barbed?

    Which type posts and wire (don't want to be replacing posts and wire constantly)?

    Any ideas for entrance gates to lane/house?

    What sort of price would I be looking at for materials for self erect Vs contractor material supply and erect. Pros/Cons of both options.

    Thanks.

    Post edited by gooner99 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭Good loser


    For 170 metres use concrete posts and 3" high tensile wire (Motto?). At each end use straining post with strut angled against, both set in concrete, about a wheelbarrow for each of 4 holes. Strain the wire through the strainer post and strut with those steel ratchet type strainers. If wire slackens over time it can be tightened readily. leave intermediate posts into ground - without concrete. Use 3 strands wire the lowest one foot from ground.

    For gate posts check with some guy that makes concrete posts etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Did a small stretch with clipex post. Wasn't 170m but was happy with them and would use them again. Still use timber strainer and at corners. No cheap way of doing it anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,751 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Did you do a sheep wire fence? how much where the clipex posts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭visatorro


    No 2 strand of electric. The were 5 ft post. Just like how they went in and the were solid enough. Posts were put on account tbh so don't know price but I will use them again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Don't know if you have sheep or not but I find the sheep loosen the Clipex post rubbing against them.

    What are others opinions on this ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭visatorro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭50HX


    Same here I'm happy with the clipex

    V the price of timber ones now I think they are a great alternative + the longevity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭Aravo


    For a small stretch like that I think I'd go with sheep wire and 1 or 2 strands of barb on top. Would be using pdm stakes. If I could get a few old telephone posts as strainers Id go with that. Do see them advertised on done deal. For a nice gate how about depending where you are a nice gate from bo steel or fishpondiron.ie manor gate style.



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