Voyager revisited - this time it’s Neelixy

Hey, there's always Species 8472 as a last resort....there's someone out there for everyone....

A Star Trek channel I watch has a running joke that Harry is really in love with Tom and all his relationships are intentionally self-sabotaged.

I liked Mulgrews Picard impression. I can't remember which season it was.

I did. I also rememver her "Howdy Dudie" comment about Paris. I was 14 when it aired and thought Paris was a bad ass. Renagade son of Starfleet Admiral out on release from a Starfleet penal colony. Watching now, he is a harmless puppy. No edge.

I loved the Flash Gordon serials. But hated Captin Proton.

I did like Janewats scary gothic holo novel. But we never saw much of that.

I think the worst episode has to be the 11:59.

Yeah, it's barely even an episode of Voyager

It takes place around then, its about the run up to 23:59 on New Year's Eve 1999.

At least Janeway didn't mention the erotic chapters in her ancestor's memoirs.

I wonder if that episode was Kate Mulgrew wanting something to show off her non-Trek range. Sort of planning ahead so that she wouldn't suffer the same type-casting that Trek Captians usually go through. It is an odd one, being a Trek episode with no Sci-fi elements at all beyond maybe the setup of the flashback onboard Voyager.

In fairness now, some excellent / classic Trek has all been about the talking. The various converstations & Picard monologues have been highlights, but that has been entirly down to really well put together writing. Voyager has writing issues, but tends to out-perform Discovery on writing quality in general I feel. Also the fact that it is an ensemble show and not singularly focused on one annoying character gives it a bit of an edge. Could you imagine an entire Trek show built around only Tom Paris, or Janeway or.....well....Neelix? It would be pure hell.

As for Jeri Ryan. The Berman Catsuit did annoy me back then, and still annoys me now, but my main gripe with Seven was how badly under-utilised Ryan was in the role. Berman was hiring her based on his horny teenager mindset, but struck it lucky with Ryan actually being an excellent actor. They got some good use out of a character-arc for her, but I really felt that they could have gone further. Ryan had the skill to pull off a gradual change from Borg to human as well as some believeable trauma of her past Borg life. We got glimpses of this through the run of Voyager, but the default writing trick for a Seven script seemed to be:

"When I was in the Collective (insert somewhat related anicdote here)"

They rarely seemed to delve too far into her PTSD or even use it as an angle to develop her more human personality. She spends the first few episodes trying to fight Janeway, then suddenly a switch is pressed and she's a fully subsribed member of the Voyager crew. It's the exact same mistake they made with the Maquis in Season 1.

You are ventureing into Seasons 6 & 7 of Voyager, which is a wierd time Trek-wise. DS9 had just finished, and Enterprise was in development. Nemesis wouldn't come out until after Voyager was finished. For 2 years Voyager was the only Trek on TV. Although Season 5 was pretty excellent (and some of Season 6), the last couple of Seasons were a bit of a train wreck. It was the trailing edge of Berman's time and his Trek was starting to look worn out.

That's Fairhaven for you....brings out the Fightin' Oirish in ya....

Wasn't he in the previous episode? Seven's timetravel adventure, but only in the past segments.

I thought Relativity was in season 7 but it's not.

I'm guessing that was down to them being clued into Seven and The Doctor being popular. It does become a bit obvious in the later couple of seasons with the frequency of Doctor-centric episodes.

My rewatch has me currently in Season 6 and just past Unimatrix Zero. God that was such a teaser of an episode. I still remember my first watch of Part 1 and being blown away at how they managed to make the Borg seem dangerous again. That week between the 2 parts had me in wonder…..aaaaand then they pissed it all away. Assimilation wasn't a big deal anymore when you take a special hypospray. The Borg are also shockingly stupid too.

• The Tactical Cube knocks out Voyager's shields…and no drones beam onboard to assimilate the ship
• The Tactical Cube has a surprisingly hard time fighting Voyager, when a Classic Cube can take out a fleet of 40+ ships.
• Despite going to the effort of assimilating Janeway, her new arch enemy, the Borg Queen doesn't check straight-away to see if she has joined the hive-mind. Let's Janeway & Co. wander freely on the Cube and mess about with ther Borg Vinculim.
• Even when Janeway and Torres are caught again by the Borg, they seem to just forget and Torres and let her just wander around the Cube again. She ends up sabotasjing the ship again.

They're just so stupid at this stage. The writing before gave at least some excuse for Voyager to have a shot against Borg ships, but in Unimatrix Zero they mostly survive because the Borg have seemed to have forgottten how to Borg.

Oh for sure. You even have First Contact being both an awesome movie rendition of the Borg, but also ruining them with the concept of a Borg Queen.

But yea, Voyager is sort of in the unfortunate position of being the late-TNG show that got sullied with the Borg by this point and if it had been DS9 or another Trek show, the problem probably would have been the same. I feel like the Borg sort of became Trek's version of the Daleks. A villain that is excellent in short well-spaced bursts, but just silly when overused.

Yeah it was a disappointing direction to take with the Borg, essentially turning them into one woman’s vast army rather than a mindless collective.

Would have been cool to see Voyager learn to adapt to being around the borg(in a similar way to the Hansens), and eventually liberating the individuals rather than destroying them.

Before Discovery, VOY was my least favourite.

In secondary school, a friend of mine leant me a video(VHS), of an episode he said I absolutely must watch, which I believe was called Timeless, it was a kind of Back to the Future type episode centering on Harry Kim and was enjoyable. In those days, the videos came with two episodes on them. The second episode was called the Adventures of Flotter, and was a Naomi Wildman centred episode involving the holodeck malfunctioning. 🙄

It didn't help my love or appreciation of VOY.

I've tried to do a rewatch of DS9 about twice, and I know there is some really great episodes to come, but the first couple of the seasons have too much religion stuff in it and I get bored.

I really should sit down and do a Voy watch. It wont be a re-watch because I never watched all of it.

Unpopular opinion probably, but I despise the use of Q in both TNG and VOY, and anywhere else he pops up.