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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    Sloganeering nonsense, the far right are obsessed with Dutch farmers and trans children in Florida and fan worship Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

    The far right in this country support Israel's genocide. They support an actual genocide by a settler colonial people against the indigenous people. The far right in this country have enlisted the English far right and the dregs of Ulster Loyalism to help them set up their imported trojan horse in this country.

    Perhaps they should go and live on the Shankill? Because they'd be happier there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,835 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I've no idea what on earth any of that has to do with anything. All I can suggest is that you ease off on twitter or wherever this manufactured outrage is coming from.

    The histrionics are wasted on me. I'm not 12. I know that we live in a country that is generally so docile as to be asleep - hence why we've allowed ourselves to be led into this situation. The idea that there's "far right" boogeymen lurking under the bed or around every corner pulling the strings is just frankly laughable! Even a cursory look back over our history of the last 20 years would show how false that notion is.

    This isn't America which is tearing itself apart over this culture war identity politics nonsense (and that's what it is - manufactured nonsense from a society on the edge of collapse it seems). I really wish people would stop trying to import or paste their problems into our society where it absolutely has no place.

    Meanwhile in the real world of Ireland, we are facing real problems as a result of this misadventure. Problems which we will struggle with for decades and the outcome of which is already clear to see in those countries who are further down this track.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    The whole anti-immigrant thing is an imported culture war tactic from American Twitter.

    The anti-immigrant demonstrations are backed by the English far right, the American far right and the dregs of Ulster Loyalism.

    We don't need this imported racist bullshit in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    @NoMoreDonegalTuesdays Can some of you guys get this into yere collective heads.. The anti-immigrant cohort in this country is very small, it's miniscule, however those in favour of a pragmatic sensible immigration regime includes a large cohort of society which recent polls have Bourne out.. What this country needs is a proper grown up conversation and debate on how we handle immigration going forward in the next 50 years or so, what are the goals? and what are the pluses and minuses for the populace and those not yet born, you know like adults without the constant use of the phrase "anti-immigrant" and "far right" shouted nonsensically at anyone who has the least misgivings about the present immigration regime,over a thousand in tents on the streets and more on their way, thousands cooped up in hotels and guesthouses, money thrown at the problem with abandon like a drunken sailor on leave, I hope the money lasts cos I damn sure know on whose doormat the bill will fall when the reckoning comes like it always does ... it's tiresome and a dishonest use of words and phrases to muddy the waters lest a proper conversation be had , because at the moment empty informationless vacuums are being created and those vacuums are being filled by the extremes.. It's not a serious way to run a country



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,436 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    It is very true that govt dialogue with the population at large has been lacking and a long term plan is needed.

    That plan will include long term asylum support. There is no dount about that.

    If people can see how the plan will work, how accomodation and services will be provided to IPAs, without negativley impacting existing services, we would all be in a better place.

    The plan was needed 2 years ago. Its long overdue, but hopefully it isnt far away now and when it is released, O'Gorman can start to address peoples concerns.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Another day goes by and still no “plan” from Rodders O Gorman. He announced that this magic bean plan would be detailed for the public last week. Crickets since.

    We have past the 2 year mark of the Ukrainian war and at least 18 months into the flood gates open to every country in the world fiasco.

    What will this plan involve ?

    Where will the 1000 + tent dwellers in Dublin be moved to ?

    Will there be a tightening of security of our borders be applied to both air & sea to reduce the abandoned passport crowd ?

    Will there be an active deportation system be installed to remove non-Irish criminals from our shores ? (To destination who cares)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Absolutely nail on the head.

    Surely the people paying these IPA accommodation costs (The Irish tax payer) have an absolute right to know who is benefiting from this guaranteed magic money business.

    Every penny should be accounted for , every hotel , B&B , apart hotel , Mary & joes spare bedroom etc etc. Are we even getting to see these accounts ?

    In regards to the big hotels creaming in the cash … what’s their connection to the politicians that are promoting this madness? I’m including non-government politicians here too. Why are they all going against their voters wishes ?


    Mysterious 🥴🫣😆



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Bizarre the public accounts committee are not involved in checking such vast amounts of public money



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,835 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Sure as we've seen over the last few weeks and months, the Government can't even keep a rein on RTE and how it spends/wastes public money, never mind this latest free for all.

    I think this latest money pit is a rerun of the Covid response. Vast amounts of public money thrown away and decisions made that'll never be fully accounted for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Ireland political elite is landlord class. There will never be enough of houses for citizens not to mention all who come here for milk and honey welfare. Rents are going sky high exactly by design so our ruling landlords class can profit out of people misery.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Eighty-five percent of people who applied for international protection at Dublin Airport in 2023 arrived without a correct identity document.

    In total, 4,712 people arrived at Dublin Airport and claimed asylum in 2023; 4,007 had either no or false identity documents.

    Meanwhile of the 2,591 men who claimed asylum at Dublin Airport last year, almost 87% presented with no or false identity documents.

    Independent Clare TD Michael McNamara said it is shocking the law is not being applied. 

    “It’s an offence to present at the frontiers of the State without valid identity documents," he said.

    "Last year the State didn’t seem to want to prosecute anyone, however in the last few weeks people have been prosecuted”.

    Last week a man was jailed for two months as a "deterrent" for breaking immigration laws after turning up at Dublin Airport arrivals without a passport, identification or travel documents.


    Wonder if the thought of doing time in jail would put people off destroying their documents?. I suspect more likely they would just accept it as part of the process in getting into the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭tom23


    Ive said it before... we are seen as soft touch for all sense and purposes. We need to process their claims as quickly as possible inside a few weeks. This is includes the appeal. If they are legitimate, fine. If not they go home. Also if Roddy wouldn't mind taking down his tweets to save the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,835 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    We shouldn't be jailing or processing them at all.

    If they arrive having "lost" their documents, or producing obviously false documents then they should be refused admission and escorted to the next flight back to wherever they just came from.

    If there's uncertainty as to whether they're legitimate, they should be held in a seperate area (onsite or otherwise) until this can be determined.

    It's that simple as well as entirely in our control and our right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭Augme


    Not automatically, but the links in a lot of cases are undeniable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    Yet the right wing media in this country like Gript and anybody linked to the Iona Institute are basically the landlord lobby.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    As far as I can see the so called "pro-sensible immigration" (whatever that is) people have offered no push back at all against the far right. In fact they've allowed the far right's message to completely dominate and seemingly have no problem with that at all.

    In all these demonstrations around the country, it's the far right leading them. Yet the self styled "pro-sensible immigration" people not only don't tell them to get lost, they ally with them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Sigh. The far right is practically non existent. The loudest person tends to be heard on every protest. So if the far right guys turn up, that’s who gets the publicity. It’s called painting a picture to suit a narrative and the narrative from the state is we are all apparently racists.

    Sensible people that want controlled (visa) immigration get washed away in that narrative and won’t turn up the to the next protest.

    You and your cronies keep conflating controlled immigration which is needed with the uncontrolled immigrants which the state has said the vast majority are not refugees at all. These chancers we don’t need and many don’t have any skill set the country needs. We end up supporting them for life instead of getting more of the self sufficient tax paying visa accessing immigrants which we absolutely need.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭Augme



    Does this "pragmatic sensible immigration regime" include burning down buildings for accommodation? Declaring Ireland is full? Referencing a "plantation" is occurring? Posting every crime that is committed by a foreigner? Referencing the skin colour of anyone arrested or charged with a crime? Bemoaning the fact that there's too many brown people in local cafes?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    Where has the push back against the far right been from the so called "we're not racist, we're pro-sensible immigration" people been?

    I haven't seen any of these people call out out the endless disinformation by the far right.

    All they seem to do is completely dismiss the threat from the far right. But that's total head in the sand stuff and strongly hints at dishonest motives.

    Have any of the self styled "we're not racist" people made an issue that the far right LIED to create trouble in Celbridge the other night? Have they fcuk.

    I'll say that again. The far right LIED. They MADE UP a LIE that three Romanian men had supposedly raped a young girl in Celbridge Manor. They did this to incite hatred against immigrants in general.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace




  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    So if it doesn't, why are the "we're not racist" crowd NOT telling the far right to get lost in no uncertain terms?

    Why do the "we're not racist" crowd continually dismiss the threat of the far right?

    That doesn't seem like opposition to the far right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Social media has given a voice to the very few lunatics. These people were once only heard in your local shouting at the end of the bar and we all ignored them. Now they have a platform and sensible people are not giving them the oxygen they require by simply doing as we always did, ignore them. Again, the media and the state wish to paint a narrative and they are happy to unwittingly oblige.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    The reality on the ground is that all these demonstrations across Ireland are led by the far right, and the self styled "we're not racist" people have NOT pushed back against it at all.

    When that hotel in Rosscahill in Galway was burned by fascists, we had local councillors making excuses for it. That was tantamount to support for it.

    As long as the self styled "we're not racist" people ally with the far right when they come to whatever town it is, they can have no excuses about being tarred with a similar brush.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Damien360


    That’s not the reality and you need to come off Twitter or X. Loads of comments on this thread make the same point I am making and you are not listening. The far right is tiny and is your standard issue pub shouting looney we have always ignored. Are you a re-reg that was banned previously ? The writing style is familiar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭NoMoreDonegalTuesdays


    Of course it's reality. You're arguing against reality, while trying to silence anybody who debates against you.

    Who led all these?

    Ballybrack - far right

    Rosscahill - far right

    Dublin city centre riots - far right

    Ringsend - far right

    Ballinrobe - far right

    Brittas - far right

    Roscrea - far right

    Celbridge - far right

    Make up fake rapes to spread hatred against immigrants in general. Shriek like demented banshees and shove camera phones in the faces of anybody who stands up to them. No push back from the "we're not racist" mob, who piggyback on them.

    You and others have been offered ample opportunity to admit that the far right straight up LIED to cause trouble in Celbridge the other night. You haven't done so because you're happy to let that LIE be out there and be believed by gullible morons.

    Time for the "we're not racist" mob to take some responsibility for their part in amplifying fascists. Cowards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    For Ukrainians now coming it's only 90 days then find you own accommodation.The asylum seekers rapid decisions and deport cabins like in Naas or asylum centers .



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,835 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ah enough. If you are genuine in your posts then you really need to lay off Twitter or wherever this ridiculous obsession with the "far right" is coming from as I suggested previously - even the general media and politicians have belatedly come to realise that the general public has had enough of the free-for-all and that's why the tone has changed in recent weeks.

    All the "far right" is is a means of distraction and deflection that has been played to downplay the increasing levels of concern and frustration that have been expressed by the local population. There IS no real "far right" in Ireland - there is a small group of troublemaking scumbags that will latch on to anything (just as they did with the Dublin protests) to take their opportunity to lash out and cause mayhem. That has nothing to do with politics or ideology and everything to do with a piss-poor Justice system that allows these individuals roam the street with hundreds of convictions.

    The only "gulliable" people are those who can't see through this spin and deflection and see the situation for how it actually is - a situation which (as I said) even the politicians have realised has gone too far, not because of the impact on communities, but because of the potential impact on their chances in the upcoming elections.

    In short.. stop relying on Twitter for your opinions and start looking around you a bit more.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭Augme


    Certainly not.

    These were comments made by a FF councillor

    If it was a criminal act, what made that criminal act happen? It was the senseless policy of the Government. If it was done maliciously, it was absolutely the fear for the safety and wellbeing of their families that drove people to this.


    The idea that burning down accommodation is seen as only being acceptable to far right "lunatics" who are akin to the local odd ball shouting random things at the end of the bar or on twitter is out of touch with reality.


    Even looking at the response in this thread yesterday. There almost seemed a sense of excitement at the thought of a small child being sexually assaulted by a group of asylum seekers and the reaction that would cause. Even when it said it wasn't true, people were still eager to muddy and waters and claim if it did happen it wouldn't be reported anyway.



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