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Cork City - anti social behaviour etc... what's being done?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Quaking in their boots, I'd say. The trauma! 🤣

    But, seriously, I'd say the staff in McDonald's have to put up with way more frightening and potentially violent abuse every single weekend night. I really don't think a few sober protesters making noise for a few minutes inside the door on a Saturday afternoon will live long in the staff's collective memories of traumatic things that have happened in McDonald's!

    It really was good of the captain to post those videos. Perhaps some readers didn't know why McDonald's was being criticised by Palestinian solidarity groups. Now they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Was in the city today for the 1st time in a while and noticed the old Soho is now called Seventy Seven. Anybody have any info as to what type of venue it will be?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I think it's run by Dwyer's (I could be wrong).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,541 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I don't think we'll see an empty McDonalds over this. It's always popular, this protest won't make any difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭Be right back




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    What is gone wrong in our society that teenage suburbanites think that randomly stabbing people is fun?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Had a well dressed /spoken one stop me in oliver plunkett street today tells me she lost her leap card and had only 60 cent on her wanted to get home to carrigaline.Went onto parnell place then a guy asking a girl to use her phone but she didnt give it to him might have been working together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,541 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The modern twist on "can I have 20p for my bus home". This panhandling has been going on since forever. People are fools to be giving them anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    It looks like poor Kieran Quilligan, was murdered over just a couple of hundred euros that he owed to scummy heroin dealers. The guards seem to think this as well. It's very sad that the heroin scourge has become very much a major part of the drugs scene in the city.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Esho


    I saw that a headmaster in a city school has told his students to stick to the main streets.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41326822.html

    The guards came into my daughters school and told them to stay out of town after dark and not to hang about during the day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭Sesame


    That's very sad. Loved my days after school hanging around in city, usually discussing the major teenage issues of the time, in coffee shops, into the evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina


    Whats with all the crazy kids (boys) causing trouble in the city? the look about 11/12 but hard to judge...

    In Tesco Paul St, a gang of them came in the other day and just started robbing all around them... running rings around security..

    I was in The Arc cinema the other night and staff were saying that they have been having an awful time with gangs of young lads coming in, robbing sweets etc.. one of them hit a member of staff with a wire across the face.. crazy stuff - and they don't have any security in there..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    You ever try to call a Gaurd? With the current response times they'll be home in bed by the time they come out to ya.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina


    yes the new "your talking to a switch board person" is time consuming for sure

    oh I dunno.. all I know is that the city is a shambles.. and so many taking their lives.. a mate is a paramedic - 3 bodies have been recovered from the river in the last few nights alone.. soo soo sad...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I'm hearing of a lot of suicides recently, too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Yes. Maybe the potency of the drugs in circulation has something to do with it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I don't think so. I think that's looking for an easy answer rather than looking at society as a whole and trying to figure out why so many people don't want to live in it, to the extent that they take their lives. It's far too simplistic a reason for such a complex situation, in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    I agree, that would be far too simplistic. A contributing factor perhaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina


    yes some of the people I see in the city - strung out - crying in despair for what ever reason - in DTs I assume... and with their situation etc... I am not surprised that some of them loose hope and end up... its so so sad.. I dunno - there are soo soo many people in a bad way.. so so many.. its a deep rooted problem with so many contributing factors.. but there is not enough help for these people..

    and its not just people on the streets - there are so many struggling in our society today.. be well everyone x



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Well, the new synthetic opiods that are knocking around are responsible for overdoses, not people going in the river.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    I’m specifically thinking about weed and increased strength leading to psychosis. It has to be messing with users heads, leading to god only knows what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Yeah. No.

    There is no causal link that I know of between smoking cannabis and suicide. If you know of any credible studies exploring this, do link.

    Also, prohibitionists, have been claiming that weed is getting exponentially stronger for about 50 years now. While THC levels in weed have been increasing over the years, there is a lot of alarmist, ill informed rhetoric about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Some people here seem to think that the majority of suicides are coming from people living on the streets and people with addiction issues. I really don't think this is the case.

    It's not, "others", it's from us, our society. Our brothers and sisters, uncles and aunts, our children (but it's mostly males). It's a scourge on our society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    I suppose that I could equally ask, do you know of any credible, peer reviewed studies that support that the view, that increased strength not leading to additional ill affects, is alarmist or ill informed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    You made the claim, you back it up. You can't make wild claims and then ask others to disprove it. Also, I can't quite make sense of that sentence, anyway.

    Now you are claiming, "additional ill affects". Previously you claimed an increase in suicides.

    I'm not going to engage anymore in this silly argument based on "it has to be messing with users heads, leading to god knows what". I'll leave you to your wild speculation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    I don't think you understand the difference between a claim, a theory and a hypothesis.

    For reference and to save you looking it up:

    "A hypothesis is an assumption, an idea that is proposed for the sake of argument so that it can be tested to see if it might be true "

    I assumed that you could draw the distinction when you asked:

    if you know of any credible studies exploring this?

    Clearly not!

    Also read the posts, there are no claims made but questions are asked. I'm also finished with your silly arguments as you clearly lack the knowledge to engage properly!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    If you know of any credible studies exploring this, do link.

    There you go, knock yourself out, if you can?

    "https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=increased+cannabis+strength+leading+to+suicide&btnG="

    M.J. Delforterie et al (2015). are particularly interesting.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0376871615001039

    I quote:

    Conclusions

    Cannabis involvement is associated, albeit modestly, with SI and unplanned suicide attempts. Such attempts are difficult to prevent and their association with cannabis use and cannabis use disorder symptoms requires further study, including in different samples and with additional attention to confounders.

    suicidal ideation (SI)

    If you having difficulties with the credible studies, let me know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    From your first linked study:

    1.20).ConclusionsAlthough there was a strong association between cannabis use and suicide, this was explained by markers of psychological and behavioural problems. These results suggest that cannabis use is unlikely to have a strong effect on risk of completed suicide, either directly or as a consequence of mental health problems secondary to its use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    That's not the point, is it? You're not getting it!

    I'm done with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina


    lads - we are talking about suicide and here ye are tearing strips of each other - this might be the internet but no one knows what's going on in anyone's lives here.. so BE NICE, and RESPECTFUL - everyone is entitled to their opinion - this is not a court of law



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Saw a boat searching the river by union quay Thursday night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭cantalach


    A January 2022 review article in the American Journal of Psychiatry supports the position that while there seems to be little question about a link between cannabis use and psychoses such as schizophrenia, the all-important question of causality has not yet been put to bed.

    I’m assuming that the causal link between schizophrenia and suicidal ideation isn’t in dispute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Closer to home. From this mornings Irish Times, this is real life. I can't provide a link as it's on the ePaper.

    The last line is very clear in terms of the discussion here and should satisfy the deniers!!

    Ireland

     3 min.

    March 9, 2024|Page 5

    Psychosis linked to heavy cannabis use

    FIACHRA GALLAGHER and

    EOIN REYNOLDS On November 4th, 2021, Diego Costa Silva killed his wife while in a state of cannabis-induced psychosis at their home in Finglas, northwest Dublin.

    Yesterday, a jury found him not guilty of Fabiola De Campos Silva’s murder, by reason of insanity. During the trial, two forensic consultant psychiatrists gave evidence that he was suffering from cannabis-induced psychosis with symptoms including paranoia, delusions and auditory hallucinations.

    Psychosis can be described as someone “losing touch with reality”, according to Prof Des Crowley, assistant director of substance misuse at the Irish College of General Practitioners.

    “It can be in the form of a delusion – a patient or person misinterprets reality,” Prof Crowley said. “For example, they think that the television is talking to them, or people are talking about them.”

    Psychosis can also trigger hallucinations – sufferers might hear voices, or see things that are not there.

    “That’s often when people can be told to hurt themselves or to hurt other people,” Prof Crowley said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Some girl assaulted outside GPO Thursday morning guy arrested yesterday in court today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu




  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Douglas Eegit


    Has a nerve been struck with the evidence provided that you asked for?

    You would want to have a hard look at yourself for making light of an assault in the city centre



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    That weed is responsible for an uprise in anti social behaviour, is a ridiculous notion driven by a prohibitionist agenda. And the posting of an extremely outlying, frankly bizzare case does nothing to bolster the argument. Alcohol induced psychosis is also a thing, as is connections with alcohol and schizophrenia . As is psychosis related to all sorts of things all of which are mostly related to preexisting mental illness or brain damage.

    I could post reports relating to diet and psychosis or food allergies and psychosis but it wouldn't suggest links to an uptick in anti social behaviour in Cork.

    You talk about insensitivity regarding an assault..... I consider calling suicide anti social behaviour to be the height of insensitivity.

    And I think trying to second guess on a public forum the reasons why people locally may have committed suicide is pretty appalling. Imagine being a relative of someone who took their life and reading some stranger's hot take on here that it is probably the weed what done it! Despite knowing nothing about the person or situation. That's what got my back up. I've known too many people who have taken their lives to be listening to these ill informed opinions without challenging them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11


    You are the ONLY one suggesting as part of this conversation that weed is responsible for an increase in anti social behaviour. So either read the discussion properly or crawl back under your rock. You are neither funny or informed but you are extremely disrespectful to those unfortunate enough to have suffered as a result of this epidemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Why in Fcuks name, did you bring weed into a thread on anti social behaviour, so?


    I am not the one second guessing why people are committing suicide. That was you. Perhaps you feel bad about that and are trying to project that guilt on to me. That is a common trick.

    Calling you out on your second guessing is not disrespectful to anyone who has suffered loss, quite the opposite.

    I accused you of being insensitive and disrespectful and your response was to just accuse me of the same but with no argument as to how I was disrespectful. Disagreeing with you is not disrespectful to those who have suffered loss (loss that I am well familiar with). Pretty lame.

    Post edited by the beer revolu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Intereting to see what sentence comes of that very unfortunate incident.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Douglas Eegit


    Man appears in court over random assault of well-known Dublin businesswoman in Cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭sporina




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭PreCocious


    Have we a new Mod ?

    (Not clear on the mobile version).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭TheChizler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,253 ✭✭✭Mav11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    What the actual codswallop is that post?

    If they know of any.. the audacity and arrogance.

    Try this one.

    PMCID: PMC3927252 PMID: 24574553

    Cannabis and psychosis: Neurobiology

    Amresh Shrivastava,1,2 Megan Johnston,3 Kristen Terpstra,4 and Yves Bureau5

    Cannabis is involved in approximately 50% of psychosis, schizophrenia, and schizophreniform psychosis cases. Any search of pubmed will flood you with results.


    Here are another 80 published peer-reviewed papers on the same subject if you don't deem that one "credible". I could go on, but boards cuts off at a certain number of chars..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Sporina is always trying to police other people's posts. I've even received pms telling me off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,185 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Seriously, why are people trying to second guess why people have committed suicide on a thread about anti social behaviour?

    Firstly, equating suicide with anti social behaviour is rather insensitive.

    Think of the families and friends of people who have taken their lives. Do they want to be reading people's speculation on why their loved ones took their lives. Speculation from people that didn't know the victims or their circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭rob316



    Nice fella, I'm glad the judge suspended half his last sentence so he was able to commit another vicious unprovoked attack. The phrase "lock him up and throw away the key" is very apt.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Douglas Eegit


    Poor woman.

    Come on AGS, time to get visible and vocal on the streets



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