ISI Fighter Shamima Begum Not allowed to return to the UK

Not the Bloody ToryGraph via wikipedia. 😂

Seriously? Too funny.

You really need to get your news from multiple sources, left leaning news outlets will frequently omit aspects of stories or just not report on them as they don’t align with their own ideology. So if you don’t look at news sources form different political alignments you will be partially informed on stories or they simply won’t be covered.

feel free to provide your own evidence , or just rant nonsense

why would she need a ak i wonder ? if she was a poor innocent tricked into being a baby factory , is that really believable ? to you perhaps.

if she embraced and still adheres to the isis cult she is a criminal and a threat

do you know what to do with threats ?

Evidence?

I am not making the claims, you are making the claims, unless you are naive enough to claim the Telegraph has integrity?

Being allowed to use an AK47 does not represent a need. I was allowed to carry an AK47, I carried many weapons the limit being what I could physically carry. I was allowed to carry ammunition including and up to HE 30mm.

It meant nothing, it was nothing to do with my politics, they were no different to any other piece of mechanical apparatus, it is only the likes of yourself who get fed the word "allowed" and weapons and immediately condemn a person on that basis. You need a course in Boolean logic methinks!

As someone not only allowed to carry all forms of weapons, but I did so on a daily basis, and I can assure you it means nothing as far as my approach to others goes, apart from a certain amount of contempt and caution around those that do get fixated by the disgusting devices. There a a lot of those around, but I guess you would understand that better than how to interpret a gutter press article.

Allowing an act, even a criminal act does not make the person a criminal no more than allowing the same person to time travel risks a rewrite of the history books.

she is a british citizen regardless of what any british politician claims or what any british court rules and that will always be the case as it is illegal to make someone stateless which is what britain has done on the basis of debunked claims.

making her stateless absolutely is a racial issue because it was done on the basis of trying to appeal to racists who don't believe the politician who made the decision is british himself.

repeating something over and over again weakens your argument rather that strengthens it especially when it was clearly factully and proveabley wrong in the first place 🙄

your racial nonsense is so weak its not even worth responding to at this stage

But the "evidence" was what I replied to.

Are you not aware of just what evidence is?

Don't you realise that a reporters job is to write news stories and you have to look at whats printed as questionable fact, not a corroboration of what you want to hear?

I said nothing about the woman deserving pity, although as a human being she would would indeed have my pity. I believe a mother losing a child is a horrendous experience and she has lost several. I am not so inhuman that I cannot feel sympathy and regret over another's suffering.

The woman deserves justice and fair treatment, nothing more and nothing less.

I wandered around with all sorts, the stuff I couldn't lift I used to take my kit too.

I tested ammunition and just about every parameter of a weapon at the point of firing. I even had a jig to prove one could fire up in the air. All nicely hydraulically damped to simulate a shoulder. I could have run the same test by asking a squaddie to fire upwards, but it wasn't allowed. Too dangerous or insecure I guess?

The one thing I never did in my years at the MOD was fire a weapon, I had a person do that for me, and a different person again to load the weapon.

We thought it was fine carrying assault weapons, not into an unlicenced building though and we would not carry both weapon and projectiles together.

We only ever killed one person on site, so we didn't do too badly. It too a round of armour piercing ammo to polish him off though and was down to a know it all issuing a command to fire at the wrong time.

I would guess that you might be familiar with the type if you use a shaving mirror?

Lads, this topic is less to do with any sympathy for her or not, or the rights and wrongs of her choices than it does with the UK's failure in its obligations to its citizens, its crass and dishonest politicians and its intransigent courts.

WTF , what kind of word salad bs are you on about. Totally Kwackers.

Pop quiz! let’s say you have 3 children and you are in a bind and the only person you can leave them with is Shamina (beheadings don’t bother me) Begum.

What do you do?

When did I say it was in public? I was allowed to carry weapons, full stop.

You didn't suggest that the lady was allowed to carry an AK67 in Britain either, although I assume ISIS would allow it?

Just to show their's no hard feelings, I am allowing you to take an armoury of weapons to Blackpool pleasure beach.

There you are, by your own logic, you are now a terrorist that needs to be made stateless.

Justice and fair treatment under UK law involves a trial with the accused given a opportunity to defend themselves. There seems little reason why the woman is deprived of that. What do you find so bad about that?

Yes being a mouth piece for the Tories.

Are you a Righty? 😂

The MOD did not test AK47's, or at least my bit didn't. I have no doubt whatsoever that not only were AK47's very thoroughly tested by some reputable proving establishment on behalf of, or even part of the MOD itself, but so would every other weapon likely to be used against the military. We did test East European ammunition, I doubt somehow that we ever bought any though.

You might consider needing proof that a weapon shot a projjie into the air a bit pointless, but nothing was taken for granted. It was not practical to measure the velocity and accuracy of a projjie as it was fired vertically, but if you have a weapon your life depends on and you find that someone using a parachute is firing at you, it's comforting to know One's weapon will work and not lock up after a few dozen rounds I suppose.

I was not the person demanding the tests, I merely carried them out. As far as proof went, I even had to prove our stock in trade measuring systems for small calibre ammunition by photographing the projji'es as they entered the detection area. At supersonic speed too as the shock wave clearly portrayed. I processed the 35mm contact sheets myself and stored them as proof after having a few sent out for printing to no doubt give the gun fetish merchants a bit of a thrill.

Be as skeptical as you wish, it does not alter the fact that the world is a big place and some actions within it might occur when you are not observing.

Never right in a million years I would guess :-)

so obviously your posts have so many holes in them and defy logic so often your not really worth engaging with

a experienced weapons handler like your self would know from your experience with "ak67s " seems to be a made up thing from a computer game called earthfall .

doubt youd have passed the vetting to mop the floor anywhere there are live firearms

i doubt your allowed to carry sharp stick pal

kinda calls into question the rest of your arguments doesn't it .

She joined a terrorist group of her own free will and there is evidence that she was a active member of that group and is unrepentant , therefore there is a very strong risk she would commit further offences ,

terrorists belong in as many pieces as possible

gudluck Mr Mitty

"I never carried an AK47 in my life, like Begum though I was allowed to carry an AK47 should one be provided."

lol

at least you got the name right this time , not bad for such a experienced weapons tester eh 😉😉😉

You still don't read things properly do you?

If I never carried an AK47, I'm unlikely to have tested one don't you think?

Your responses are very indicative of a typical internet researcher these days, doing a selective examination of the information available, choosing only the bits of data that agree with or reinforce your supporting your standpoint.

The whole purpose in pointing out what I was allowed to do with regard to weaponry was to render your logic and the reason you provided as an accusation of terrorism as false. The detail is irrelevant, Like Begum I was allowed to carry weapons, I am not a terrorist, yet according to you, using your own logic, I am.

I have no feelings one way or another for Begum, in fact I would never associate with someone so stupid and easily led, but I do care for human rights and can easily recognise what is simply right and what is wrong.

As a matter of interest, where did you get the ISIS work instruction from? What ranks are allowed weapons, who has the authority to allow the carrying, in fact how does the ISIS military structure work?

Frankly some of the terrorists that have hit the media for UK crimes have been a few sandwiches short of a picnic, I suppose recruitment isn't easy, but if they provide people with an IQ even lower than a Brexit voter with weaponry, I would guess that anyone would qualify for one. Let's face it if you were in the business of procreating for the greater well being of mankind, wouldn't you want to arm your sprogdropper if she or the sprog might be at risk?

No, your inability to come up with any form of meaningful argument to support your numerous statements negates any sensible interaction.

You still don't understand do you?

I am not on "her" side.

I am on the side of what is fair, what is just and how I consider fellow human beings should be treated. Were I to side with any individual on the planet, the lady would be one of the last I would support for anything unless maybe as a nomination for the merits of sterilisation if someone with an AK47 and a penchant for religious extremism is what floats their boat.

The reason you state that I am on her side is purely and simply it is what you want to believe, nothing more.

I have pointed out the problem with your approach. It's not uncommon.

You have no idea where I'm coming from and I honestly don't think you ever will work it out.

I did try :-(

"I was allowed to carry an AK47"

"I have never carried an AK. I was allowed to carry other weapons"

I rapidly changing story does never reflect well Mr Mitty.

The train of logic here is stunningly incompetent. The detail is far from irrelevant.

I don't believe your story is true, but say it were. It would require a legal authorisation to possess firearms.

Somebody issued a firearms license is legally permitted to carry firearms, appropriate to the reason for being license. I would have no issue purchasing a long, range, high power, bolt action rifle. There are legal, and justifiable civilian reasons to carry such.

A terrorist organisation is not capable or granting legal authorisation. I'm baffled I have to point that out. Somebody, part of a terrorist organisation has no legal reason to posses a automatic assault weapon. Anyone carrying one as part of that organisation is a terrorist, and should be treated as such.

If you want to give ISIS credibility and a authoritative state that can issue firearms license. That's fine. But it cripples any complaint against the UKs actions. They would then be free to rescind her citizenship.

i guess your opinion is more relevant than some one who actually can effect the thing your arguing about 😉

ffs

its like trying to explain to a toddler that its bed time

I didn’t say ISIS is a state. I’m saying holding them up as a state with authoritative powers undermines the arguement that removing her British citizen would make her stateless.

Om not sure which part of that you are misunderstanding.

I understand exactly what you’re saying. It’s complicated, it’s just incorrect.

Models of car aren’t controlled. Any license, and you can drive any car you like.

Firearms are controlled. A firearms license or authorisation does not allow you to handle any firearm you like.

The UK’s MoD, does not use AK47s. I’m not sure how you’re not getting that. Thus permission to handle MoD weapons would not mean you had permission to handle AK47s, or anything you could find.

If you weren’t lying. You’d have known that. Pretty obvious stuff.

Not to mention somebody who has never used a firearm, and had no practical training, etc. Would not be allowed to pick up military weapons and have a pop.

it doesn't need to change britains breach of international law.

whoever is holding this british citizen will change it for them.

Whether you believe me or not is totally irrelevant.

I don't even know the names of most of the weapons I handled. I modified a Mauser 30mm, I tested its firing rate and velocity using an Opus electromagnetic detection setup using a base length of four and six meters. That was on a firing range next to a train track with chain link fencing that was not grounded and thus retransmitted the noise from the trains contact arcing during the tests which screwed both velocity and rate of fire data. I sorted that with a storage oscilloscope, a Nicolet using a bubble memory cartridge back in the lab. I tested an Aden and an MG50. I partook in jollies where we had quite an audience to watch Some device loaned to Israel perform. Loads of barrels, I took photos of the installation, but don't even recall the name. I rarely saw it fire, I watched the audience instead. They traveled miles to watch it perform but the most entertaining thing was watching them I found. There was a lot of smoke though which was a bit more than the other guns they came to watch produced.

I hated the products I dealt with and doubt that I would have remained in the job when the Iraq war started.

My opinion of Begums status will not matter in the slightest. I have no intention of contacting my UK MP about her and just think is a shame that her human rights are being trampled on.

No one's opinion on this forum will change her status, do you not appreciate that?

This is pretty obvious I would have thought, why do you think you need to explain?

lol every thing is irrelevant to you but the truth , and i dont think anyone believes your fairytales

No, you still don't get it. It's nothing to do with guns or cars, it's simple logic.

Being allowed to do something is not a crime.

Being allowed to do something for Telegraph readers is guilt.

Being allowed dresses up a story to make it more exciting for the hack.

No wonder being a British post office manager warranted a jail term for so many :-(