Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Someone hasn't read the thread.

Oh but it was! You can even search on here for the conversations at the time.

Difference being that was done reasonably well and made sense. Saying that, I still have a drawer full of plastic bags that I didn't pay for so I'm not sure it actually worked as well as intended.

You bring your cans and bottles to shop A, they are due a retailers cut for taking your discards and giving you refund. But they have refunded you with a piece of paper that you must spend in shop.

If you were to take voucher to shop B, why would they refund you when they will not get repaid from return, or get a retailers cut? It's lose lose for shop B to give you money for shop A's gain, who, will get the refund and a retailers cut, and not have to pay out the refund. win win win for shop A.

If Shop A is part of a large chain, then they can make it convenient for their customers by allowing this, and knowing the wins and loses will cancel out over the chain.

The system needs to change and return take ownership of the machines, for a system like you are suggesting to work. Then they could see where the item was discarded, half retailers cut there, and where the voucher was redeemed, other half of the retailer cut goes and deposit reimbursement goes there. If same shop gets the rubbish and pays out the refund, they get full retailers cut and deposit reimbursement.

100% THIS.

Not sure of your claim of hyper-inflation. Certainly in my local shops armed with government little calculator I noticed no price increases.

I was there last weekend and there are dunnes 2 machines side by side and a bin right beside them.

Best thing about it is haven't bought a can or a bottle since it came in and not planning to. bottle of tap water in the car job done.

On top of the nice little earner they receive from MUP.

A correct that's the handling fee

B you can go in and get cash and walk out without buying anything

C Is it likely that someone will go to the trouble of using the RVM and then not redeem the voucher ?

I was there on Monday, and yes, two machines, but no bins.

Why so, what happened. This can't be right Shirley

My experience so far, its a "pain" but not the worst pain one has to deal with in life. I would prefer to use my recycling bin but such is life.

The comments about cans having to be perfect and no damage, not my experience. I crushed a few cans in my hand (dented heavily not stamped on) as I didnt think they had the logo, they did, brought them to a machine in aldi and all went through fine after a small attempt to return them to shape. The barcode on most of them was creased.

I am lucky I have a few supermarkets within a few minutes walking / driving distance. Lidl's machine both intiial and replacement broken. Aldi perfect, SV worked ok.

Very surprised to hear someone had a load of cans rejected, they do say to enter them barcode side first, tested a few barcode acing the "wrong" way and it also worked, tried a few cans not in the scheme spat them out quickly.

I would however be pissed off if I saved up a large amount and was decent drive from my local supermarket and the machine out of order.

Is it just one vendor for the machines regardless of store or are there multiple suppliers? I could read the thread but..

There's multiple machine vendors; and possibly even different types of machines from those vendors

I've had cans get fairly dented - sitting empty in the outer drinks pocket on a backpack on a commute home - and get scanned; they really have to be quite screwed to not be made work.

The experience here doesnt feel any different countries where its introduced in recent years. The recycle rates will hold steady or rise a little in year 1 as consumers take time to get used to it or just refuse to come on board. Year 2 generally sees a big jump and year 3 you get at or near 90%. it grows marginally from there.

The mechanism to increase the rate, if needed, will almost certainly be an increased deposit level. The original plan was for a flat 20c rate.

Anyone who has bottles/ cans with return logos that are getting rejected need to contact Return with a strongly worded email that you want you refund.

I'd also suggest plasting the photos all over social media.

Otherwise it's just daylight robbery thats going on and it wouldn't be excepted in any other format.

Imagine a normal shop charging you 25c extra for say the trolley and then you brought it back and they say half the time no sorry your not getting it back people would go mental, why do Return think they can do what they want?

Have use the ones in Tesco 3 times now and all has been good.