Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

It’s depressing to read this post because it’s true. A windfall… and it’s used for everyone except citizens of this country. Of course the opportunist rich get a chunk of it. The amount of houses, buses, infrastructure, more classes for kids with authism instead of the fight to exhaustion every year trying to secure the basics. But guess i’ll be told don’t punch down, don’t punch sideways, blame the government, for which i will. A complete shitshow.

But every country in the western world operates on a financial loss with acceptance of asylum seekers and with overseas aid : 'it is what it is' as they say.

Thats why it is so important the govt put in a robust plan now, so that the electorate are confident that disingeuous asylum seekers are called out and applications denied, but that genuine cases are accepted and supported in Ireland.

The longer there is a lack of faith amongst the broader public in terms of the handling of asylum claims, the broader the lurch towards the right becomes.

The UK is already well past that point, but we have time to stop the rot - but the govt have to deliver a plausible and measured medium to long term plan for IPA management, in order to give confidence back to the electorate.

Mud sligning from the left to the right and back again helps nobody and does nothing at all to stop the general lurch towards a right wing/anti immigration stance, as demonstrated in the recent opinion polls.

"Develop infrastructure, resources". In other words throw more money at this. At what point is enough enough?

Yes, it’s depressing to see how many people here on boards and in politics point to our status as a wealthy (240 billion in debt) nation as a reason to build more houses for third world refugees instead of trying to build more infrastructure for Irish people

Who exactly are the "anti immigration crowd" and the "anti migrant crowd"?

Nobody on this thread fits into either of those categories.

I'm in favour of legal immigration, in other words people who come here to work and make a positive contribution to our country.

But I'm sick and tired of people who have destroyed their documents being let in and it will never end as long as they see they can get away with it and there is zero chance of being deported as long as no information is given.

As to your other point on who to vote for, Independent Ireland and The Farmers Alliance would have views similar to my own and its looking like they will be up and running in time for the GE anyway.

And yes you can say me voting for a small party will make no difference but I'd nearly prefer to cut my hand off rather than give my number 1 to the traitors we have in power at the moment.

No.

Fair points and I dont belive someone with your view should be considered anti immigration at all.

There are obviously some whom are a lot more hardline anti immigration in outlook, but thankfully they are still a minority.

Independent and rural parties will run candidates for sure, but I doubt they will be able to contest enough seats to make any real impact.

Would anyone in favour of controlling immigration consider increasing our corporate tax rates?

To me it seems quite hypocritical to think we should be able to take advantage of undercutting everyone else, as we do, and also expect people not to come live in what looks to the rest of the world like a booming economy.

There's more than a hint of wanting your cake and eating it going on.

There's plenty of countries that 'undercut' others to attract labour. By your logic should an Irish person expect to go to India and expect generous social welfare, housing etc. I mean it's one of the fastest growing economies so why not?

@BlueSkyDreams said -

Apart from the language (anti immigration crowd, anti migrant crowd) being frankly insulting to the majority of people in the country that want controlled migration, and not the free for all we have now...

So, as there is no party running a 'controlled immigration policy', people will struggle with their voting strategy. This is all the Govt parties have by way of their election strategies - They are simply hoping, that as there is no stand-out party offering the people what they want, people will revert to their old habitual voting ways

This is literally all they have - They can't point to any successes they've had - Immigration, Health, Housing, Infrastructure, Tourism...they're all going down the pan

The failures are evident at every turn - The fiscal incompetence is astonishing - Flinging our money at everything due to being too weak and/or inept to actually solve anything. They could erroneously claim the economy as their own (it's not), but what's the point of having surplus taxes coming in if you're pissing it away at every turn (albeit massively enriching a select few in the process)

To put it simply, if the country is 'going to hell in a handcart', the people that loaded and pointed the handcart in that direction, cannot be allowed push it for another 5 years

The incompetence of the last 13 years (especially the last 2) must not be rewarded

I think you underestimate where O'Gormans reputation stands with the general public - The guy is an idiot

A quick Google tells me

GDP per capita Ireland 100,172.08 USD

GDP per capita India 2,256.59 USD

It looks like we're the second highest GDP per capita in the world, of course people are going to come here.

Your argument was that as Ireland undercuts other countries it's only fair to take others in. India also undercut others by offering cheap labour and they also have one of the fastest growing economies but that doesn't mean it's 'having their cake and eating it' by not giving generous social welfare and free everything as we see with illegal immigration here

And just to be clear, I am not talking about legal migration and I don't believe most posters are

You can think about it in terms of what's fair but also what's feasible and broadly in everyone's best interests.

With our economy looking as good as it does, people are going to come here, you can either try to integrate them or drive them to working illegally, getting involved in crime etc.

That's pretty much the choice as I see it.

After that I think the only way of 'controlling' migration is to tackle the push/pull factors.