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Crimes that have stayed with you for years

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 315 ✭✭coinop


    Mackenzie Lueck, a 23-year-old Mormon and student at the University of Utah, was reported missing and her bound, burned, and buried remains were later discovered. Ayoola Ajayi, 31, was arrested and charged with Lueck's kidnapping and murder. He pleaded guilty to Lueck's murder and was subsequently sentenced to life in prison without parole.

    Ajayi and Lueck met in 2018 on a dating website called Seeking Arrangements, which represents itself as a platform for "sugar daddies" and "sugar babies" to meet. According to a contractor, in April 2019, Ajayi asked him to build a secret soundproofed room under the front porch with head-height hooks on the wall and a fingerprint scanner for entry. Ajayi claimed that he wanted to hide alcohol from his Mormon girlfriend. The contractor was uncomfortable with the request and turned it down. A cleaner separately said that she noticed a lot of cameras in Ajayi's home, especially in the master bedroom. Prior to murdering Lueck, Ajayi sexually assaulted a woman who he had met on a dating app and invited to his residence. On March 10, 2018, Ajayi invited the woman into his home. While they watched TV on his couch he began “intensely” kissing the victim and trying to inappropriately and forcefully touch her. When she tried to get away, Ajayi pinned her down and bit her at least three times, causing "significant pain" and leaving "bruising and bite marks."

    Young people have become too trusting with dating app culture and meeting strangers from the internet. Please retain common sense and always tell someone when you plan to meet an internet stranger.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 anonymo203


    I have just come across this thread and there’s definitely a few cases that will always stay with me and I often think about.

    One of the more recent cases is that of Aisling Murphy who was just out for a run. I think that will remain in the public conscious for a long time to come. Also, the murder of Sarah Everard in London. The details are haunting. I can’t imagine what she went through, especially as he was a police officer, you would automatically think you would be safe with someone in that position. Both cases happened within a short timeframe of each other and are not at all that long ago.

    Similar cases that I often think of include Karen Buckley in Glasgow, Nicola Furlong in Japan, Jill Meagher and Michaela McAreavey. Being a young Irish woman who lives abroad they definitely had an impact on me. There was something about Karen Buckley that always made me feel like I knew her. Another extremely haunting case, I remember clearly her parents appeal and crying watching it.

    I was the same age as Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in 2002 and can vividly remember the news reports and the newspapers. It was huge at the time. I still think of them every now and again.

    Being from Kerry originally the Kerry Baby case. I wasn’t born when it happened but have heard of it throughout the years. I think it’s a story that’s always remained with my parents generation and older. Its quite chilling to think an innocent little baby boy met such a horrendous end and washed up on the beach in such a beautiful part of the country. How could anyone do that to a newborn baby. Poor little boy. Which also reminds me of the Lucy Letby case only a few months ago. What a complete psychopath. Truly evil.

    It’s amazing how certain cases can resonate with you and remain with you for years to come for whatever reason. May all the innocent victims rest in peace and their families and loved ones find closure.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    When the UDA raped a woman in front of her special needs 14 hear old son then shot him in front of her, they shot her too but survived



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    The child that washed up mutilated in the Lagan, believed to be a victim of John McKeag the beast of Kincora (and Red Hand Commander founder, and informer)

    The UVF man who took pity on the kid they were about to torture he opened a window and said run for it kid. But being in a loyalist area he was lost and knocked on on a door, A woman brought him in and cleaned out his wounds, before calling her dsughter, who showed up with her UDA boyfriend. He didn't survive the night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭_CreeD_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes the full horror was not revealed by the wide angle news camera shots that were live on our tv’s at the time. And the guarded speculation avoiding commentary by the newscasters.

    I have seen countless videos since that reveal the true horrifying human suffering of that day in graphic detail.

    Nearly as many people killed in an hour and a half as the entire 25/30 years of the troubles in Northern Ireland.

    it truly was the standout horrific event of our lifetimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The murder of Lesley Molseed. Poor Stefan who did sixteen years for a crime he did not commit. I read a book a while back about homicide in Ireland and the impact on those left behind. So many harrowing stories- from the girl who returned to live in Cork from London, to the kind shopkeeper murdered in Kildare. It's a travesty the people responsible for those murders are not locked behind bars for life. I think one of them is already out? Imagine the stress for the families of ever running into those scum on the outside.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    When I first learned in school about Hiroshima and Nagasaki my young mind could not compute the great superpower the USA could single handedly inflict such death and destruction on innocent civilians!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Paul Quinn being abducted and tortured to death in a shed in Monaghan. Every major bone in his body broken below his neck. Beaten for up to an hour with nail studded bats. Up to 14 people involved. Only 21 years old. The savagery of it all. The silence from people who know what happened.

    So grim. May the people who did it never know true peace. May it haunt them.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 989 ✭✭✭Photobox


    James Bolger, I know it's been mentioned already more than likely. The CCtv image of the poor innocent toddler being led away like that. No words for it. Truly horrific.



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


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  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Haunt the South Armagh Brigade?? Paul Quinn started trying to muscle in on Brigade turf thinking the Good Friday Agreement would protect him, he leaned over the backseat of a taxi and attacked the son of a well known psycho Provo, he sucker punched another well up guy and then startednputting it up to guys in the street , guys who killed people during the troubles , dangerous dangerous men who still had rackets to protect, Quinn tried to "muscle" in on those rackets. The reason you hear about Paul Quinn "standing up for himself, wouldn't back down from the bullies" it meant he was threatening some of the most dangerous people on the island in the middle of the street, and physically attacking some of them when they weren't looking.

    These are the boys who murdered Eamon Collins by stabbing him 33 times in the face

    He picked a fight with monsters and that's why his death was so monstrous, that's why the death was so savage and so personal, because it was personal, Paul Quinn was a small time gangster who messed with experienced terrorists, he wasn't abducted, he showed up thinking he was going to have a fight with the kid he punched. A sorry story but Paul Quinn's portrayal as anything more than the thug he was himself gets boring after a while, harsh but true

    Quinn was threatening men who had committed murder before he was born, he was only 21,and it showed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,686 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Eddie Halvey. Piss drunk driving double the speed limit and slamming into a car on the side of the road, killing a teenager. 7 months suspended.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,334 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    I utterly despise these "only God can judge me" Born Again Christians, a lot of whom "find God" in jail.



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    "Off you go and sin no more!" Used to be a running joke, If you had a penny for every born again Christian who was a loyalist serial killer, well you'd have a lot of pennies, it was a way to try and get out of jail too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,833 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Brendan O'Donnell killing a mother, a toddler and a priest back in 1994.

    Christ that's knocking on 30yrs ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,147 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Some of the more recent familicides in this country I find hard to listen to.

    Do they seem to be on the increase or did it always happen?

    Another one today of a guy killing his dad.

    But recently we had a guy battling the head off his mother, and worst of all those people who murder their own kids.

    There are some severely damaged people walking around in our midst. We don't know how close some of them are to cracking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    They were children themselves in all fairness.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    That's what made it scary, the descriptions of Venables by the adults who first met him are chilling to the bone


    "Cold, lifeless, nothing in his eyes, he stuck his middle finger up against the partition window, I had to say this was the most evil child I've ever met"

    the other kid (Robert something for googling it) was a compulsive liar and obviously a nutcase himself but he showed fear, emotion at the gravity of the situation, and claimed Venebles scared him and madehim do it. Now all killers say this right?? Bit these are children we're talking about, it's known that Venebles has consumed child pornography in prison, is that a sign that he was sexually abused?? That he never grew up from the day he murdered James Bulger, and may still be a psychotic child since that's when he was incarcerated


    the other kid never reoffended after he got released with anonymous name, Venebles was found with child open and all sorts, would probably desecrate and kill a kid of he were released, I don't think Venebles is reformable


    Edit: Robert Thompson was the other kid



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    They stoned that poor child to death, and Venables, 10 years old, had the malignant foresight to drag James Bulgers body onto traintracks to make it look like an accident. That one made people e existentially questioning what is going on here? Some were saying Thompson and Venebles, two ten year olds, should be executed. It sparked serious introspection on the black and white view of "bad" and "good" , this was an evil act, but are you going to put the rope around that ten year old boys neck??



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Have a look at the environment they grew up in and their crime becomes less surprising. Of course this was tragic for Bulger, but in retrospect the way the crime and trial were covered by the media were probably more shocking because two ten year olds were categorically labelled as evil and their faces plastered all over the news.



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    To commit your first murder when you havnnt hit puberty yet , and then the wherewithal to try to cover it by putting the body on train tracks... No emotion shown after...That's harder to explain away even with abuse and socioeconomic conditions being shite ., something was seriously seriously wrong with those two, Venables in particular. But they won't bother with addressing mental health.

    It was a pretty shocking crime when you read the details of how they tortured and killed this poor kid like experienced murderers before trying to dispose of the body



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Would you like if they were living next door to you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n



    Of course something was “wrong” with them, but that doesn’t mean that they had the same mental capacity as an adult.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I’d be ok with that if they were quiet and respectful neighbours. One of them seems to be living a normal life now.

    Anyway, I don’t want to derail the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭Field east


    The Green Tureen murder by Shang Mohangi - a South African. He became a South African MP later. It was at a time when udders were rare. . Also, the murder of Fr . Mulloy in the Midlands - around Roscommon , I think- on the night of a wedding which he had attended. Both gruesome for very different reasons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭Field east


    Surely Mary Lou , , the Sin Fein shadow minister for Finance or/and Mr McCarty , MEP should be able to help out in finding the culprits through their BACK CHANNELS. As we say in Ireland ‘ everybody knows somebody’ the Paul Quinn murder was a most cruel murder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,334 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    The murder of Timothy Kidman, the groundskeeper for Slane Castle in 1989 by a pair of teenage scumbags from Drogheda who were poaching. Shot him in the back with a rifle then finished him off by shooting him in the head as he lay injured on the ground. Unbelievably they were convicted of manslaughter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    I’ve been searching for the details of a murder in Leitrim that happened in the last 20 years, probably the last 15. Not getting any results on the papers as I don’t have enough details.

    A man in his 70’s was murdered in his rural cottage by a young guy, late teens early 20’s. The young guy may have had ASD. The man was tortured and left to die. He wasn’t found for days. 

    Does anyone remember that one?

    Another one that stuck with me was the murder of Gavin O’Connor. Beaten to death and run over with his own car at 22 years old. No national media coverage of the trial. Only Prime Time did a small piece on it, I’d have never heard of it. 

    The subsequent desecration of his and his brother’s graves multiple times is beyond disgusting. 

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,334 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    That’s the one. Different to who I remembered it but isn’t that always the way? Thanks for finding that for me 👍

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG





  • I voted to keep the death penalty back in the 2001 referendum, so I've no problem in saying these pair of c**ts should have both been hung on their 18th birthdays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    18? What are you waiting for? A true hard nut would do it ASAP.





  • Nah, too easy. 6 or 7 years of them waiting for the inevitable would be a form of punishment in itself.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Not a particularly chilling example but one that I think about from time to time is the unsolved death of Joe Deacy in Mayo.

    Mainly I guess because I used to drive past the house where it occurred most days on my way to work for a few years.

    Lived in England but used to spend most summers in Ireland with family. Went on a night out in Kiltimagh with friends and was found unresponsive outside a house nearby the following morning.

    Nobody has been convicted or even charged with any involvement to date and indeed there seems to be large hints of a cover up from people in the area by the family. Talk of shrines for him being defaced and signs being vandalised.




  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Why not their seventeenth?? Sixteenh? Eleven?? If you're going to kill them for a crime they committed as preteens, then don't bother saying you want to wait until they're of legal adult age to kill them, what does that change?? Is executing a child too cruel so you have to wait until he "legally" becomes an adult before you kill him?? See that's the road you go down with with these draconian attempts at "justice"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    No it wouldn't actually, some prisoners prefer that, do you know that's the whole point of giving someone a sentence even if it's something ridiculously huge like 40 years, is to give you a time that you know you will be free, if you can do it or not is another thing. In America, sometimes they give guys "Letters not numbers" the letters being "Life" with no possibility of parole and you're here til you die


    Telling Venables at 12 years old he's getting hanged in 6 years would probably have no effect on him, since murdering another child and showing absolutely no fear of consequences


    he would be counting down the days, then it's just all over for him. James Bulger isn't brought back, and the mother I don't believe wants the death penalty, so who does this benefit but your own thirst for vengeance , it certainly isn't going to deter anyone , remember when they though t internment without trial would be a great deterrent up here?? Didn't work that way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I am inclined to agree if the perpetrators have no fear of death. Ian Brady was kept alive against his wishes, i think that was fitting punishment for him.





  • Murdering a toddler is one of the most atavistic crimes there is, so don't be surprised that it raises the strongest of emotions in people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,600 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Yet they successfully planned and carried it out. They even brought a toy to the shopping centre in order to lure the child away from his mother and they were able to dupe people into believing they were related while leading him to his doom. There was quite a lot wrong with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Yes and I think the ones who managed to kill themselves before the trials (like Fred West) cheated justice in a way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    Just like the rest of us are punished by waiting threescore years and ten for the inevitable? Nah.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Only in those who have no control over themselves.

    Asking for 10 year olds to be executed is hardly a reasonable demand but simply bloodlust.



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Of course it is, but you know the history of pure retributive and impulsive justice don't you??? We would also as a society be executing two boys, two children, yes two murderers, but as a society we have to have the balls to start analysing and fixing, instead of just killing the problem, what does it say that as a society the best solution for this would be to execute the child perpetrators and just end their lives

    It's all wrapped up in a very neatly macabre box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,247 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    An early internet one, around the time that two girls one cup bollocks was going around, a friend asked me had I seen three guys one hammer, I said no wtf is that, he said it's the worst thing I've ever seen, it's a guy being murdered, it's horrific etc.


    So I googled it when I got home , and immediately regretted my decision as I sat frozen in horror as these two Ukrainian serial killers were torturing and beating a man to death, I cried my eyes out and went over and over it in my head, the way they laughed, the man struggling to breathe as he choked on his own blood

    It was these fellas


    Prepare for some very very disturbing reading on that page, their motive?? In a nutshell, to be famous



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