Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

They are invading a European country. They have used energy as a weapon against us. Their hackers constantly target us. They attack European elections. Their propagandists talk endlessly about war on other European countries and nuking us. Leaks have shown that they believed a successful invasion of Ukraine would have fractured NATO and Europe giving them more "opportunities" (which is Putin's doctrine). Most would call that dangerous.

Apologists and contrarians seek to play this down or "create" some exaggerated generalisation to argue against.

The Ukrainians chose to defend themselves. They made that decision from day 1. They are sacrificing their own lives for the future of their country and their people. Any territory they don't take back during this war will likely be lost forever to a nuclear-armed occupier. Every Russian piece of equipment they destroy is more pressure on their invaders. They don't have an option of "peace", they only have the option to defend or brutal occupation by an enemy who will likely break any treaty that is made in the future.

Is there any real signs of any big shift? Maybe the supply will just stop one day but for now they seem to have a constant supply.

It doesn't seem to make sense why Ukraine aren't recruiting heavily. You'd imagine even rounding up a load of lads to dig trenches, build fortifications like the russian lines would be happening but it doesn't seem to be.

If we take zelensky at his word they're down 30k men dead and say another 100k injured, while 300k men turn 18 every year there. They should have a much greater supply of men.

Surely there's some sort of propaganda spin for Ukraine.

There's no real advantage to keeping it hushed up.

Breaking through heavily fortified areas is very difficult and costly. Showing off to the world that Russia has many more adiivkas to go through before taking a bigger stretch of land might make Russia start to reconsider while also giving the ukrainians a boost that they will be defending heavily prepared positions that they can hold with less cost.

He's in serious bother moneywise with the near half a billion fine in his new York Real estate fraud case, hasn't the bond cash on-hand either to appeal it, needs to lodge the above amount to do so, theirs a 100k a day intrest going onto the above amount aswell that it's outstanding, he seems to be running out of road

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Absolutely, like many veteran care systems around the world, the Ukrainian system is badly in need of reform. Keep in mind that Ukraine is a poor country, and it's being invaded, so it might not happen tomorrow.

Again, you are systematically finding anything negative about Ukraine to act "concerned" about as part of your stance against Ukraine.

Fairly miserable outlook. Seems that things have a bit yet to go before both sides have run out of steam.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68778338.amp

https://www.ft.com/content/dd1d3074-61af-4edb-9ed4-a3530158623e

Will they all just come here instead?

It's not the sort of thing you'd be expecting if they only had 30k soldiers killed...

I don't want Ukraine to fail. I just don't want them to be part of the EU. There's a big difference.

There is lots of things that don't add up with their story though.

One minute it's only 30k deaths but yet they're severely short of men.

They are defending against a terrible regime who wants to destroy all of Ukraine and it's people but yet where are all the fighters? They aren't dead or injured according to Ukraine so why are Ukrainians so reluctant to fight.

Obvious answers are much more deaths have occurred than reported and/or the average person doesn't want to give their life so those on top continue to make lots of money. But this is Russian propaganda so it can't be true...

I for one want Ukraine to be part of the EU, obviously at the right time when this is over, they have repelled the invader and have sorted our their legacy issues due to being subjugated by Russia within the Soviet Union for so long.

Their spirit and resolve can only be a good thing for the EU. And if farmers are worried, it is at least better if produce and competition are coming from Ukraine as opposed to Brazil etc…

It will have a very negative effect on the agri food sector in the EU, put negative pressure on incomes and the surplus cash simply isn't there to invest in them in the way it was for Eastern European countries joining 20 years ago.

Can't see how they can be effectively integrated without causing negative effects to the rest of the EU while not bringing anything to offset these negatives.

The Eu can be completely self sufficient in all agricultural products if it wants as things stand.

They don't have big energy supplies to replace the gap left by Russian supplies.

What exactly do they bring to balance off the hundreds of billions of euros it could take to get them rebuilt and developed.

Ukraine lads try to steal millions while the cute russian lads try to steal billions, if theirs any truth in the above its probable that it was wholesale corruption in the russian army by the men at the top that instigated putin moving on ukraine in the first place

That link provides a very interesting story (and explanation for many other things too!) about what was going on in pre invasion times.