Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Everything else aside, it's bizarre to implement a new paper-based voucher system these days. Even Dublin Bus moved on from this sort of silliness a decade ago. Contactless and self-service accounts for almost all sales now and shops have adapted greatly for this, so it should have been requirement number 1 to seamlessly and instantly have deposits returned and not to affect commerce.

That's totally misrepresenting what the article says:

Some products are expected to vanish off shop and off-licence shelves, with smaller international companies signalling an unwillingness to pay for Re-turn deposit recycling labels.

Your post mentioned LIDL, Coca Cola, Fanta and Tropicana. They are not smaller international companies \ brands and clearly was not the type of companies Mr Jennings was referring to.

Well you advised them to file a complaint.

I'm asking you how does that get their deposit back?

Hmmm, normally I'd agree but isn't that outa the Catherine Martin playbook these days. Sending letters is all well & good, chances are they'll end up in the bin, hopefully a recycling bin.

But if you want results these days, hitting the social media is a lot more effective. And of course, why the state would like to limit the public expressing their forthright opinions on same.

Hardly surprising. The producer has to pay a fee for each item they put on the market. If producers costs go up they put their prices up. Anyone, including Re-turn, who argue this scheme is cost neutral is living in a fantasy world.

Well, I wouldn't use a letter to start with especially as the stamp would cost more than the amount involved.

The social media airing makes sense and would be more effective if the company can be shown to be refusing to put the matter right.

The bedrock of a deposit scheme is the return of the deposit when the consumer complies with the terms and conditions. They simply can't get away with unfairly holding onto the deposit.

That's nuts, what shop is that? Name and shame

Not nuts at all really, another reality of a scheme such as this thats been foisted on people with little or no thought given to it.

I posted a pic, and can show email to and from ReTurn. My problem is not with the shop, it is this system. This shop delivered groceries to my door during Covid and before, tho not sure if they still do. Delivery was free!

So if the store name isn't provided it might not be happening. Photo of the sign looks legit to me.

Well I suppose its slightly better than demanding proof manual returns take up staff / customer time. Progress.

Anybody can print an A4 sign and put it on a noticeboard so it's questionable. In fact a photo editor could be used to create the same photo, wouldn't even need to print or snap a photo

If legit then knowing what store this is would help people on here to avoid

yes for sure, you're right about that. There is people making money from this scheme, however sometimes the pendulum swings both ways XD.

Re-turn haven't given consumers much to work with, and there's alot of inconveniences caused by this scheme. We just need to find more ways to make it work for us. For me small bottles like tropicanna and robinsons fruit shoot keep getting rejected, and every so often a couple of the bigger sized bottles. like for every 100 recycleables i may find anywhere between 5 and 20 being rejected. it gets annoying, especially when frequently using the machines. But i feel bad for alot of the other people who have big black bags filled with return logo containers, who try 5 or 10 bottles from the top and then give up after seeing them constantly being rejected. If it were me i would advise people bringing a seperate spare empty bag with them to put the rejects into, that was they don't get in the way or put back into the same bag as the non-rejects. Its a hopeless feeling to try scan 3 in a row for them all to be just spat back out. i'm not surprised there's people leaving bags at the machines. Some of them are just giving up, or are just frustrated after realizing they don't work. i don't blame them. but saying that there are some people who have non-eligable stuff and just random non scheme based things.

Either way i'd like more people to be able to make the scheme work for them. Like as horrible as this is being pushed on all of us, i would genuinly want people to be able to benefit from the scheme. it's hard for people to make use of the scheme when they're only getting their own money back.

Maybe there should be an addition to this, where if people redeem a certain amount of cans/bottles in a row, they get something. And have it funded by returns profits, rather than coming out of the people's pocket. Some incentive.

I'm not saying you're making it up, I'm suggesting that naming the store would give greater credibility

There's a lot of accusations flying around social media and once you ask for more details they go quiet

I wouldn't. My post was directed at Red Silurian about their demands for proof on here being farcical. Maybe I'll start looking for "proof" every time someone gets most of their bottles / tins accepted at an RVM.