Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Admonishment as Ash J said and also monetary fines unless Ireland agrees to take an allocated amount .

I am sure the poster has posted on this before here .

Read the thread. I answer the exact same question a post above. I don't want to spend my time repeating myself when I don't need to.

You must be on the wind up if you think Ireland being first the first ever Western country to refuse to take any asylum seekers would have zero negative implications tbh.

I think the increasing concern over the numbers that have arrived from Ukraine, the benefits and exemptions granted them, the resources diverted to housing them, the recent story of the massive amount of money spent on rescuing their PETS as well, and the changes now to several of these points by Government in response to said concern shows that in fact the majority of the population HAVE had enough and want to see limits/controls put in place.

As I've said many times before, I have complete sympathy with their plight and condemn the actions of Russia, BUT I feel no responsibility for it or for resolving it (that latter part lies with their leaders and whatever settlement is ultimately arrived at) and I question the motives of anyone who travels from one end of Europe to the other (skipping through all the countries in between) to land on a small island - especially when there are (as shown on that BBC graphic I posted a few days back) huge areas of their own vast country not involved in the conflict zone, and when the Ukrainian foreign minister has called on them to return.

It's not our fight, Russia certainly doesn't care about our opinion (and if anything likely welcomes the destabilising effect that their actions have had in Europe), and we will have no influence on whatever the resolution is.

You talk about Ireland’s response to the refugee situation of WW2, 80 years ago!! I dare say that very few if any of us posting here were around back then and it's easy to look back now and condemn and - I'll grant you - probably rightly so, but as I said, the mistakes of the past shouldn't shackle us in how we address the problems we face today.

You are dismissing the hundreds of millions (up to 2 billion this year) that is spent on foreign aid but all of this comes out of the same finite pot, and as we've seen, giving to one means taking from someone else.

You talk about our moral duty here but what about our moral, constitutional, legal and political obligations to the Irish state and her people? We don't elect politicians to put the needs and interests of randomers ahead of our own. We expect them to work towards fixing the issues we have, and improve things for the future - not make everything exponentially worse in an ill-judged crusade to show the rest of Europe how charitable we are!

What benefit is it to anyone to see communities stretched to breaking point? Who benefits from putting people in fields? Where's the advantage of putting an already broken healthcare system under even more pressure? How do tourist communities benefit from having their hotels and other buildings repurposed to holding dislocated frustrated people with nothing to do?

As I've also said many times, charity begins at home and that's where our efforts need to be to address the long standing fundamental issues in core services and infrastructure that everyone is negatively affected by. Once we have a handle on that, THEN we can think about the needs of others (which doesn't necessarily mean bringing them and their problems home) - but again, let's not forget that we are ALREADY giving 2 BILLION euro to the needy of the world.

Your position is undoubtedly from a sense of charity and empathy and that's commendable for sure, but all such things still have to make sense in the real world of economics, politics and social support and THAT is where the whole house of cards falls apart I'm afraid.

That's why the polls are showing that people have had enough, why protests and unfortunately more extreme forms of resistance have increased, and why the Government has belatedly started to take note and actions (albeit from a sense of self preservation in upcoming elections).

There's only so much we can do given our own needs, problems, and resources. That's not inhumane. That is life!

"General sense". That's very definitive. Does that mean you are now saying we should refuse entry all foreigners?

Christ talk about hyperbole. I can guarantee you there would be no "massive exodus" of foreign companies were Ireland to refuse IPAs outright. Especially after all those taken in.

Foreign people who came here through legitimate channels are even annoyed with the illegitimate IPAs.

And how do you know irish people don't want to take that approach? The echo chamber that agrees with you maybe, along with our virtuous government who continue to enrich their pals.

I'd wager the 84% of people in Ireland polled recently might think otherwise. The people in the streets might think otherwise (*my experiences at least being up and down the country with work), majority ITT think otherwise, even the leftie haven that is reddit are now sick of this farce. But keep beating that drum

Just wanted the link thanks .

In addition to converting nursing homes, hotels and student accommodation, I see governments are now onto offices and land.

Land. As in fields.

So we're basically herding IPAs like cattle now now. If we're gonna start using fields then technically we'll never be full, but just stop and think for a minute the mental gymnastics involved to achieve "we're not full".

And isnt your solution to close the borders to everyone. To "decimate" immigration, including folks working for MNCs and returnimg irish.

Nice thinking Einstein. Newsflash..its never going to happen.

If you're going to ignore my questions, don't expect me to answer yours.

Great, more unsubstantiated opinions. Let's stick to the facts - there's been no increase in support for parties advocating refusing entry to all asylum seekers.

Also, if we are refusing entry to all asylum seekers by all logic we should be throwing out any current ones. I have heard any supporter for getting rid of every Ukrainian on Ireland, absolutely none actually.

A Brazilian leaving because of the immigration. Brilliant. Again, stop with this nonsense about everyone getting keys to new houses. Let's try and stick to the facts. We are going to see a mass exodus of immigrats? What are you complaining about then? I thought that'd exactly what you want to happen.

You need to quantify that "alot" with actually facts. People have shown no interest in voting radical though. Where the massive jump in support for the nationalist party, the Irish Freedom Party or any of those other tiny tiny fringe parties on the right? Even the Farmers Alliancd haven't cone out and said they'll ban all asylum seekers and asylum applications.