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Freeman Megamerge

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Patser


    Does this count, when a driver is claiming Earl John's Charter of 1192 and Magna Carta Hiberniae of 1216, for why he didn't pay M50 tolls last year



    Judge surprisingly didn't agree



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They absolutely are not over here. Most of the Irish "freemen" give up the bullshit after a wee trip to Mountjoy for contempt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I reckon the three weeks he spent in custody is a much worse punishment than anything he would have got for driving without insurance. Not sure I would paint it as a win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,735 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Not sure this is quite freeman stuff but it is close enough

    Stephen Delaney, of Fatima Place, Kilkenny City, Kilkenny, came to court and contested the civil case against him today, concerning seven unpaid journeys on the motorway.

    He argued that Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII), the State agency dealing with road and public transport infrastructure, did not have the authority to enforce tolls.

    Delaney, representing himself, referred to Earl John’s Charter to Dublin from 1192, exempting everyone under his dominion from tolls.

    He submitted that the Magna Carta Hiberniae of 1216 carried that over to all the King’s heirs, and those rights were continued in the Irish Free State constitution and later Bunreacht na hÉireann.

    Thomas Rice BL, for TII, counter-argued that Bunreacht na hEireann prevented pre-independence legislation from scrutinising current laws. He also asked the court to note that tolls had been part of Ireland’s history prior to independence.

    Judge Anthony Halpin rejected Delaney’s submissions and said his “esoteric” arguments did not trump the State’s constitution.

    He ordered him to pay the charges, which ratcheted up to €1077, plus TII’s legal costs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    The most frequently occurring two words in this thread I'd wager.

    , representing himself,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭CrazyEric


    On the contrary, I did right up to the end..... where the update says the case has now been dropped but may be reopened if "new evidence" is found.


    "There is not enough evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction. It is anticipated further evidence may become available in the near future, as a result of which, the prosecution may well start again," a senior Crown prosecutor said in a letter read by judge, Timothy Mousley, at the Isle of Wight Crown Court today (Friday). "


    The cheeky barsteward got away with it. This is why I said, tongue firmly in cheek, I will never have to pay for anything again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭CrazyEric


    He was only in Custody Tuesday to Friday when he was released from jail, the case has since been dropped. No idea how he got away with it, looked open and shut to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I was going by the article. Still 3 days locked up is no win either.

    Judge Callaway sent him into custody for three weeks and he must then re-appear for sentencing. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,735 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The case was dropped, not because "the courts are afraid of the Freemen" but because the prosecutor recognised that he didn't have evidence to secure a conviction.

    What this means is that some of what the court was told by counsel at the initial hearing couldn't actually be backed up by evidence from witnesses.

    It's only open and shut if you assume that what the court was told had happened could in fact by proven by evidence. Apparently, some of it couldn't.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    An familiar name and a new name were involved in a bid to spring one of the Strokestown Four from his 15 year sojourn in Castlerea Prison.

    Melissa Kelly, who the judge said described herself as being a republican, farmer, and a member of a group called Concerned Parents against Government Overreach; and Joe Doocey, who the judge described as a machine driver, journalist and member of groups including the Anti-Eviction Task Force.

    Good to see that such multi-faceted individuals find the time in their busy schedules to waste court time on misconceived applications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Hope he rots.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    And they keep popping up. In a judgment published today, Ben Gilroy and his "private settlement trust" get a mention, along with his unique attempts to negotiate a settlement.

    Utterly standard stuff for these types of characters and it gives a bit of an insight into the financial workings of the supposed trust and what happens to tenants who find themselves unwillingly in the middle of all this nonsense. The receivers took possession of a house in October 2018 and then...

    An inspection in February 2019 revealed that the house had been re-occupied. The receiver, through newly appointed property managers, engaged with the new tenants, one of whom was the mother of a young child. The tenants advised that they had a one year fixedterm lease from the first defendant for which they had paid the sum of €4,000 in respect of a deposit and the first month’s rent. A tenancy agreement is exhibited which is signed by the first defendant and dated 10 February 2019. These tenants attempted to co-operate with the plaintiff as receiver and paid the rent directly to the plaintiff’s agents. However, they then became the subject of a sustained campaign of harassment and intimidation which appears to have been conducted at the behest of the first defendant. Significantly, the averments of the plaintiff and two of his property managers who dealt with these events have not been denied by the first defendant in his replying affidavit.  


    The tenants variously informed either the plaintiff or his property managers that they were advised by someone known to them as “Declan” who was apparently acting on behalf of the first defendant that their lease with the first defendant was terminated for breach of its terms and that they would be evicted. Declan subsequently attended at the premises unannounced in the company of another man and attempted to gain access. The first defendant called to the workplace of one of the tenants. There appears to have been a number of text messages, telephone calls and visits to the property by Declan and others. Very concerningly, Declan appears to have made a death threat to the property manager through the tenants, threatening to shoot him in the head if he went near the house. Notwithstanding the ongoing harassment and threats, the Gardaí to whom complaints were made refused to become involved on the basis that this was a civil matter. The tenants left the property in mid-August as they were genuinely afraid for their safety and that of the young child and could no longer deal with the stress arising from these events.  

    Enter Ben and a mysterious "Declan"...

    At this point the defendants purported to transfer the house into a supposed private settlement trust operated by an individual who is well known to the courts. This individual, Ben Gilroy, wrote directly to PODAC on 20 August 2019. Leaving aside the various pseudolegal claims made regarding the receiver’s position and alleged breaches of the General Data Protection Regulation, the general thrust of this correspondence was that the defendants wished to redeem their mortgage, had secured the backing of an investor in order to do so and that Mr. Gilroy wished to enter into settlement talks with PODAC on the defendants’ behalf.  

    [...]

    Separately, it seems that almost immediately following the departure of the second tenants, a third tenant was installed in the house by the defendant. A newly appointed security and property company attended the house on behalf of the plaintiff and spoke with the tenant who again advised that he had paid a sum of €4,000 for the lease and was dealing with a man called Declan. At various times both Declan and Mr. Gilroy advised the personnel of this security company that they had met or spoken with the plaintiff. 

    [...]

    The first defendant avers that he involved the private settlement trust out of frustration and that the trust installed the third tenant. Apparently, the defendants were paying half of the rental income from the property to the trust until a court order was made that the rent should be paid into an escrow account

    End result, an injunction was granted for possession of the property and restraining Ben's client from interfering with it. Who knows what sum of rental income was diverted to the trust but it was noted that there was no reasonable prospect of the mortgage being redeemed as per Ben's suggestion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,707 ✭✭✭whippet


    That was a very interesting read - covers everything from how people get sucked in to partnering up with certain people - in a desperate hope to maintain the status quo while not having to cover your losses. And how years can go by with no real repercussions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/the-farmer-the-construction-millionaire-and-a-remarkable-golden-vale-land-dispute/a1940541149.html

    String sniff of some of the arguments reported time and again on this thread about to rear their heads when this comes to court



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Declan appears to have made a death threat to the property manager through the tenants, threatening to shoot him in the head if he went near the house. Notwithstanding the ongoing harassment and threats, the Gardaí to whom complaints were made refused to become involved on the basis that this was a civil matter. The tenants left the property in mid-August as they were genuinely afraid for their safety and that of the young child and could no longer deal with the stress arising from these events.

    Disgraceful. Do the Gardai need to be reminded that harrassment and death threats are in fact criminal matters?

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭sky is the limit


    Ben is still in his house how is that possible??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Our softly-softly legal system that only has consequences for those who agree to play by its rules. cf. the Burkes.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Non-entity banks must offer forbearance to mortgage holders under new EU directive, committee told


    Honohan still telling anyone who’ll listen how he’s oh-so-much smarter than all those stupid judges



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  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭sky is the limit


    That’s because he is .. master of the high court will get ya that reputation ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,612 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Master of the High Court is a piddling civil service role with a ridiculous title. He isn't a judge or anything close to one.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Hasn't been Master for a while now and his last few years in that administrative role were marked by all work of any worth being taken off him due to how many of his decisions were overturned on appeal.

    It's entirely open to him to register with the LSRA and he can go back to work at the Bar. With such genius points of law, I'm sure the briefs would be flying in on debt cases but for some reason he doesn't appear to want to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    I saw recently that a friend of this parish, Jeff Rudd, is self writing a buke about his time at the bar.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Can't wait, will it be on kindle?

    Anyone else remember when he said he wanted to be self-employed and he was asked to produce a business plan, the business plan was photographing middle-aged housewives in their knickers as an alluring present to their husbands.

    There was a thread in Politics (or maybe CA) about him but it was eventually closed down althogh I'm not sure if his political ambitions have ended? Very freman-ish rhetoric and liked to egg others on but never turned up at any event where arrest was a possibility. Was an extremely prolific poster here for a few years.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


     http://lifebehindbars.ie/

    Well I see his 'alternative employment' schemes are becoming somewhat more creative. 👍️

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    who could resist 👍️

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    No doubt, like all his other projects, this will be seen through to completion and not pushed to one side when the latest shiny thing grabs his attention



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The phrase "A boudoir service to your door" is enough to give me the shivers!

    There may be doubts among some but I'm certain all of those semi-nudey images were appropriately licenced.

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,707 ✭✭✭whippet


    there is a flash from the past !! I think I've been blocked from all of his many social media outlets so haven't had the pleasure of seeing what his latest life course has been .... local elections aren't a million miles away ... might he be putting his hat in to the ring again ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Don’t know why this post in YLYL reminded me of the dear leader of United People



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Roll up Roll up!

    Come find out why you don’t need to make payments on all of those loans to the naughty banks and how to save yourself thousands and to get a house for nowt.

    And all without it being legal advice. Or something.

    https://www.eventbrite.com/e/a-presentation-of-the-evidence-of-securities-fraud-tickets-790991596157



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Been years since I've heard that "group", assume it's still the bould Ben behind it?


    Imagine paying €50 to get "advice" from a group whose website looks like that 🙄





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    It wouldn’t be the same without him, now?

    Be warned though; it’s card booking only 🤭



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I would imagine the best way to protect oneself against having one's property repossessed is to pay back the loan in accordance with the contract one signed...


    Anyway, saw this, thought of this thread:

    A mother of two has been refused more time to appeal an order for possession of her Co Kildare home after claiming she had relied on misrepresentations by a man with no legal qualifications about how to deal with the possession proceedings and had paid him €14,000.

    While it was “beyond concerning” that people without legal qualifications and with no right of audience before the courts were apparently holding themselves out as in a position to assist, for fees, those in mortgage arrears, Agnes Ryan chose to take that man’s advice, Mr Justice Mark Heslin said.

    Start Mortgages Ltd sought the possession order over arrears on a €500,000 mortgage loan made in 2005 to Ms Ryan and her husband, Michael Ryan.

    Start, which acquired the loan in 2015, said that as of July 2021, €453,870 was outstanding on the mortgage account, €2,847 in current monthly repayments were due, and the last payment on the account was €200 in August 2017.

    After possession proceedings were initiated in 2016, Ms Ryan said in an affidavit that a man was identified to her as knowing something about mortgage arrears. She claimed the man told her, inter alia, not to make mortgage repayments after 2017, that he was liaising with a representative of Start on a “settlement” and would “take on” Start and prevent a possession order being issued.


    There must be personal sympathy for someone who decided, for whatever reason, to retain and pay a person, despite knowing they were not a qualified lawyer but he had to emphasise that Ms Ryan made a “choice” to take advice off someone without a legal qualification, the judge said.

    While taking nothing away from how troubling it was that someone would provide such a “service” for value, it was clear Ms Ryan chose not to comply with contractual obligations in respect of mortgage payments on foot of advice from someone whom she knew was not a qualified lawyer.

    Her sworn statements could be distilled to “a range of very unfortunate choices” by her, all flowing from her decision to take that advice. There was no allegation of duress or of Ms Ryan being mistaken about the man or his company having qualifications which they lacked, he said.

    In other words, play stupid games win stupid prizes. Grown adults do not deserve to be protected from the consequences of their own bad choices. The court had previously ordered that there would be a permanent stay placed on the repossession order if she'd just pay her damn mortgage.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    The "advisor" is someone I've never heard of in all this. It's a "Mr Horan said to be of Rockwell Private & Associates Limited and/or Mortgage Arrears Assist."

    Here's the judgment. Looks like for all the money handed over, this lad promised to lodge an appeal against the Circuit Court order...and then never did a thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    That sounds like what the GAA stars sister was doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Great look for the hotel hosting Caitriona Carey v2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,707 ✭✭✭whippet


    that judgment is stark reading.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,969 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    20 years of living in a house that was worth 500k in 2005 though? Laughing all the way to the bank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    It's been a while since one of these has been spotted in the wild





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    and what terrible fate will befall the taoiseach if he doesn't respond in 2 weeks? It is remiss of them not to mention that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,707 ✭✭✭whippet


    Direct Democracy is being rebranded 'Liberty Republic' ... Mr Gilroy just announced his leadership and kicked off the campaigns for the Local elections and pending general election .. he is also talking about an ambition for the Park there too ..... should be good for a laugh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,538 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I love that they can't decide between principle and principal. Very special people indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭blueythebear


    Well known freeman on the land, antonio murredu looks set to face the music soon, not before time....


    https://www.thejournal.ie/anti-vaxxer-accused-of-assaulting-garda-arrested-after-stand-off-in-co-donegal-6325090-Mar2024/



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    And a similar event in Co. Clare.

    A support of Mr Mureddu, Louise McGowan told Judge Gabbett that she is a ‘Trust Protector’ and asked Judge Gabbett to confirm that he had the authority of jurisdiction over a living man or woman.

    Ms McGowan said: “You have no authority to detain him. You haven’t established who he is.”

    Judge Gabbett told Ms McGowan that he does have the authority and told her that she was in danger of being held in contempt of court and to sit down.

    Judge Gabbett said that Ms McGowan as she is not a solicitor she had no right of audience to appear before him in court on behalf of anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,605 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What's with this "éiRe" or "éIRe" spelling?

    Seen a few far right loons using it, I suppose there's quite some overlap between that and this constituency…

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Should get them front row seats, and an office in Liberty Hall.



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