Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

It hasn't manifested in any support for any party who are saying we should close on borders. Its very possible to have an opinion that immigration is too high but not want to do anything about it as the alternative is worse.

Lol you missed the mark by quite a lot. I don't mind "buy me a coffee" as there is not that much of a coffee in the world comparing to what I was talking about actually. The grift and fleecing of taxpayer by politicians sending our money to selected landlords who are creating ghettos out of a villages and towns all over the Ireland. Shipping hundreds of people at a time to places where they have a zero chance to integrate or to avail of any services. Curiously enough, none of the proposed housing places are built in areas where overlords live and most of the housing provided would have zero chance to pass standards or requirements set for accommodation if you were to try to put it on rental market, yet all of them charge top dollar from the government.

I'd agree with that..lol

Do you know what you just said ?

Good post Kaiser.

Pragmatism over ideology.

I see your points .

I don't disagree or dismiss the aid we give , I said we do give a lot in foreign aid .

But this is a different situation, it is comparable to our effort or lack of, in WW 2, precisely because it is a major European conflict which , in our lifetime is having and will have far reaching effects .

I agree the government were OTT with benefits for Ukrainians and think that all aid to past arrivals should be that of the latest . Their numbers have slowed but there are other advantages to coming to Ireland other than the money which we can be proud of . It is easier to blend in a country as liberal and easy as ours . I know the cynics will say yes liberal and easy , but these are positives. Ithink you know this but choose to see it all as a negative or ignore the pull factor of the culture we all love do much .

Not going to go into all the problems our country faces again .

I have detailed the same myself here and elsewhere and as you know I am not a fan of this government.

But as I am aware and living through it myself , I have the right to disagree that we are not all going to be held responsible if we push back against taking in Ukrainian refugees,and treat any genuine refugees with respect and dignity.

We cannot turn away from those who are in dire need and continue living the way we want when these people's families are holding back the very biggest threat to our way of life since WW2.

And for the other refugees those that are genuinely fleeing war and persecution cannot be refused .

I think that those from safe countries should and I think now are being limited and other countries could join those lists.

The government have handled this so badly, from not investing more in our healthcare and housing and infrastructure while we have had the extra money from MNC taxes , to not ensuring Irish people have enough homes, and controlling the cost of the housing market ...And not communicating in real terms with people who are getting angry and allowing a vacuum where other voices can fill with hype and misinformation.

This is where I cannot accept your rhetoric .

I see your points and the issues in our country , but I cannot bring myself to agree with you because we differ so fundamentally on the way this situation should be handled.

You commend me for my charity and empathy but it is not believable because then you are saying I am naive essentially .

I am not naive , and politics and social support influence economics as much as the other way round .

It is just two different ways of thought , not that one is better than the other.

But while I do respect your opinion and well thought out posts , .. I just don't agree .

Kitty Holland, as usual, making stuff up. At no point were temperatures "sub-zero" last night in Dublin. They were well above 0 through the night time period (around 4c) and were at the lowest at around 8am, still just above zero. Not saying it was pleasant but get the facts right.

This is irrelevant. There's no outright anti immigration party, and even the ones promising to get serious on it are in their infancy with hardly any candidates in any constituency to pose a real threat this term, so not sure why you keep referring to this as some sort of litmus test. It's null. All realistic parties including opposition have a common ground on this which is clearly out of touch with the vast majority public opinion on IPAs. FFG/SF being in the next government is not a sign of IPA immigration working as much as it is a lack of choice. If this issue continues at this pace, even I could create a party in 2027 focusing on IPA deterrence and win by a landslide.

I remember joking last year as a farmer if FFG will pay me to house IPAs in my fields, it's now a reality. I couldn't have predicted in the past 5 years we'd have situations where gardai prohibted us from leaving our homes by more than 1km, we couldn't go for a drink without buying a token €12.50 meal, taking in 100k from Ukraine, government promising third world citizens their own door accommodation in eight different languages yet we now find them in tents, fields and offices. Who knows what the 2028 elections will bring.

We'll see. IMO whenever we start hitting 10k per month, you'd be surprised how quickly international obligations can be put out to pasture

IPAs

I dont see there being a specifc cap on IPAs either, but there may be some EU broader strategy, which we will fall into line with.

Sorry but if we ever hit 10k IPAs per month, we absolutely do get caps in place. I'll let you hold me to that.

No International obligations fine could equate to the cost of running the IPA show.