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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭Damien360


    If it won't change then it needs shutting down. It's bleeding money out of every conceivable orifice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭tom23


    greens aren’t helping themselves. A car crash party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    You're bang wrong, they're a clown car crash party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    If making the TV Licence optional would lead to a collapse in revenue to a point that it's no longer viable, then I would see the as a public expression that it isn't needed anymore.

    I think a "true, comprehensive public service broadcasting service" has had it's day and isn't needed anymore.

    All that's needed is to cover programming that isn't commercially viable but is important to the state from a cultural point of view.

    If you're looking for Dancing with the Stars, Friends re-runs or Ireland fittest family then you need to pay for it yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,324 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    If RTE's primary benefit is as a state news service then it fails miserably. Its editorial bias and selective covering of certain issues make it virtually useless in that regard, unless one values it as a mouthpiece for the Government.

    Realistically, what does it offer that the newspapers or Virgin don't? The likes of Vincent Browne (until he retired) did a lot more to hold Government to account than RTE ever will.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    All that's needed is to cover programming that isn't commercially viable but is important to the state from a cultural point of view.

    From an old-school Reithian approach to broadcasting, the problem with remodeling RTE as an Irish BBC4, or BBC4 meets CNN, is that a huge chunk of the population would tune out completely, or almost completely, and that undermines the public service mission. Part of the point of the current 'broad church/channel' model, from that perspective, is that people come for the Fair City and stay for the Upfront or whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,190 ✭✭✭mountain


    The audience for Fair City are hardly interested in current and world affairs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Get rid of one FG and appoint another. Also Paul Ried being tapped up to replace Sùin.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You have to have balance of programming but RTÉ don't really understand this themselves.

    Take a viewer interested in DWTS or Ireland's Fittest Family, RTÉ pump millions into both show, this is fair enough because their maybe a return (both from a money perspective but also to bring audiences into other programming) ... however those shows are not balanced with cheaper programming of the same kind. I keep going back to the quiz / game show, neither are expensive to produce but neither are replacing DWTS and Fittest Family nor are they doing daytime quiz programming, which could lead to giving people in the industry experience. You might consider these to be commercial but considering that our commercial TV station doesn't produce this time of programming !!!! But that is also down to competition and how both RTÉ and Virgin Media have have competed across programming (largely competition in the sports sphere).

    TV production is expensive even at the cheaper end, I am listening to a podcast with Richard Ormond, I didn't realize he'd been involved in Deal or No Deal, but he said that the average prize pot was 16.5k for the show, where they produced 10 eps a day giving C4 (at the time) 200 episodes for the year. But this is a big money prize programme (ITV are so rich he said that he produced a programme were on the first game the top prize was won, causing huge problems for the producers and another show that failed to get aired even though lots of people won big money from it).

    But then you have something like pointless or countdown where the prize money is small or non-existent.

    The rest is entertainment https://www.youtube.com/@TheRestIsEntertainment


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    David McWilliams writes RTÉ’s obituary. A bold move by a man who is very media-savvy.

    We are witnessing the death throes of RTÉ. I say this with a heavy heart

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2024/03/02/we-are-witnessing-the-death-throes-of-rte-i-say-this-with-a-heavy-heart/

    His basic claim is correct - contrary to the JLNR surveys, young people don’t tune in to RTÉ. That’s what David sees with his kids and their friends. It’s what I see. Does anyone else think kids tune in to Fair City or Prime Time or anything else from the national broadcaster?

    That is not to say RTÉ will be abolished. Despite the unending series of scandals, it is very unlikely that any Government will put the Zombie out of its misery. At most it will be re-branded like FÁS.

    If RTÉ had been abolished 20 years ago, we would have saved about €4 billions in licence fees but what would we have lost?

    RTÉ contributed almost nothing to the many Irish artists who have achieved unprecedented levels of global acclaim.I can’t think of anything of value RTÉ produced that couldn’t easily have been supplied a private operator like Virgin Media which can meet the demand for news, current affairs and sports.

    Otherwise, nothing of lasting value has emerged from Montrose in recent decades. Instead we get DWTS and Room to Improve. Some people in Montrose are so out of touch that they think the problem with Toy Show The Musical is that it didn’t do credit to Tubridy’s Late Late Show!

    Patrick Freyne: The mystery of Dermot Bannon and his many surrogate wives




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    We've been in the death throws of RTÉ for the last 2 decades, David is just noticing this now! This thread pretty much outlines as much. Do we really need Columnist to point out the bleeding obvious?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Yes we do. It may be stating the obvious here but no one in authority believes it.

    Who else in the media has declared RTÉ to be defunct. Who in the Oireachtas?

    Until that happens, talking about the demise of RTÉ is just gossip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I'd have to agree. All the commentary and politics around RTE has only been about putting the existing organisation on a sound financial footing. No one of influence, including McWilliams here, has actually outlined a plan that calls for a complete restructure of Public Sector Broadcasting.

    And that is even though RTE has completely lost the trust of the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I know no-one under 30 who would choose to watch or listen to anything from rte unless absolutely forced to. I.e. someone with a kid and they want to see the Toyshow. Then it's under sufferance.

    I'm wrong I realise to expect that we could have an rte solely paid for by subscription but I don't see change happening anytime soon.

    I also think that nobody at management or board level should have any connections with politicians.

    The connections between these people means that all sorts of shenanigans is allowed and acceptable with no reprocussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,654 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is Paul Reid next in line for head RTE job?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    What's the point in commentators speculating about something they know isn't going to happen? All significant political parties are four-square behind RTE in its current form. None I know of has floated breaking it up or anything like that. The big imminent call is for a funding model to replace, or part-replace the licence fee. Once that's decided it'll be pretty much carry on trucking...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    If no one talks about it as a potential solution, well then it's never going to be considered as a potential solution. Since many people don't value the output from rte, it is reasonable to suggest breaking it up and seeing what survives.

    The thing is, the current setup suits both media and those in power. The funding issue would be resolved if the FF/FG duopoly was expected to continue but they are caught between the rock of FF not wanting to give SF the opportunity to squeeze RTE and the hard place of the public refusing to pay a charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,930 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    I haven't seen this until today

    RTE just keeps giving

    70K a year crazy

    Was there nobody in the finance/HR dept's that could do this work?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Karppi


    The ultimate example of "Nice work, if you can find it"!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    I hope the Paul Reid thing is joke… surely it is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Karppi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    I really hope it is too.

    We have heard all about transparency needed in RTE but considering the former boss of the HSE, an organisation not really known for transparency or keeping within budget.

    But given the toxic nature of this role, would need someone with the hide of a rhino so maybe he has some suitability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,689 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ah FFS. It is just fraud at this point.

    And this expensive nugget is revealed after the PAC report produced.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    RTE were quite flush with cash up until the downturn, when advertising revenues collapsed. The stuff that went on then would likely put what went on in Dees time in the ha'penny place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Bob Collins, Cathal Goan and Noel Curran need to be brought into the Committees to account for their actions as Directors General* during their period there.


    *Just to be grammatical correct as DsG sounds wrong :)


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭BornSkippy


    Is €70,000 a lot for running a fund that returns over €120,000,000, more than RTE gets from advertisements and sponsorship?

    Would RTE get better value elsewhere?

    My understanding is that 1% of fund value and 20% of profit are typical fund management fees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    He was made redundant on a scheme he created and then was paid €70k for a part-time job and he left some time in 2022. I imagine they could have got a new staff member for €70k who might split their time between the pension fund and some other work. Who has since replaced him? And are they working parttime ... Suppose Richard Collins needs a job!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,930 ✭✭✭CH3OH



    Here is quite a good article about the RTE pension scheme.

    While Conor Hayes did a great job as chair of the trustees. I believe that he would have received remuneration for this. Perhaps the 70K was to act as the administrator in RTE?


    The fund is managed externally

    “The investment managers engaged by the RTÉ [Superannuation Scheme] include: Irish Life Investment Managers Limited; The Blackstone Group LP; Morgan Stanley; IPUT PLC and Atlantic Bridge, the trustees reported in their latest annual report to the end of 2020;

    Mercer Ireland was its actuary;

    Northern Trust was the custodian of the scheme;

    RTÉ itself provides day-to-day administrative support but the RTÉ Superannuation

    Scheme is an independent entity."


    Maybe the surplus generated could be

    used to fund RTE.



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