2024 F1 General Discussion Thread

Yes that her. Not allowed to name here but google results appearing in last 24 hours easily available.

Fine with most of the, but the example you used was strange :"...she asked him to cool it twice. Of course he asked her to delete them, they both knew what they were doing was wrong". She asked him to cool it and him asking her to delete the evidence, isn't 50:50. Those examples are all on Horner. He's her boss and she's not his boss so that's not 50:50 either.

I don't pretend to know the legal aspect as I've no legal training. I don't pretend to know the legal threshold for sexual harassment. But I really don't think it's a simple 50:50.

The investigation claims to have been independent, but the lack of transparency means we can know if it was or not. Nor do we know what specific question the investigation was trying to answer or how broad the scope was. If it was only asking about coercive behaviour (or whatever the term was), then that's a different question to whether there was sexual harassment or just simply an affair. The latter would be a mater for just the Horners to work out between them. But the first two would be bigger matters

The most important aspect is she was reporting directly to him. If he says anything sexual in that situation he's on the hook for it.

Horner knew better on how it would look to his wife AND to his employer / the public. So he asked for everything to be deleted. It looks like sexual harassment and Red Bull tried to cover it up.

My guess is there'll be another investigation.

I get what you are saying in terms of some could be easily argued as insinuated but I think you are setting the bar too high to meet sexual harassment.

Like even the text where it kicks off and he asks to delete the thread is off the back of an unfavorable response to him commenting on the spanx, looking attractive in them and what’s inside them that counts. That’s sexual harassment I believe.

Definitely seemed to be mutual at one stage but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t progress to being unwanted.

I wonder is she still his PR or his she gone now? If she is gone did she leave or get payed to leave?

Has he got a new PR?

I'm kinda amazed he hasnt become "ill*" and had to immediately return to England.

*ill being PR term for getting the fùck home before Geri has changed the locks and burnt all his belongings. Whatever about the Red Bull gig that marriage is in major trouble.

The power dynamic between the boss and employee means she's not as guilty. At all.

Agreed. Thats what I was getting at.

The moral side of it including his marriage is 1 debate. Im not interested in that.

The interesting part is how it stacks up in F1 through boss / employee lense. Its been handled pretty badly so far.

She couldn’t remove herself from the situation, it’s her boss.

She wasn’t consenting, she said stop on several occasions and he persisted. You’re completely ignoring the power dynamic. She did nothing wrong. He did everything wrong.

She said she liked the attention, they talked about boundaries and established there were little to none. You are focusing on a "power dynamic" that you assume was at play just because they are boss/employee. Look at all the evidence infront of you not just the texts you find fault with.

The only thing she was concerned about was that he was married, not the texts, not the requests, not the calls.

We have no scope into what conversations and acts took place outside of WhatsApp.

Boundaries change. She changed the boundaries. It wasn’t a case of overstepping the boundaries once and learning they changed. It was consistent despite the clear removal of consent.

You said earlier she should have removed herself from the situation. She couldn’t. She clearly tries to keep it professional and only talk about work related stuff and Horner consistently turns it sexual. Are you suggesting she would have continued to text Horner if not mandated to by her role?

You give Horner every benefit of the doubt without applying common sense.

What exactly did she do wrong? Nothing.

What did Horner do wrong? Consistently message a person who is mandated to report to him in work asking for sexual images and favours despite her consistently saying no and asking him to stop.

Theres zero wrong doing on her part. She’s not on trial.