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Denis Villeneuve’s Dune

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Does anybody know, is the double bill showing both films only gonna be for this Thursday night??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I didn't go see Dune in theatre because it very much seemed like half a movie, ( that didn't bother me with MI:6), i just watched Dune 1984 and read a bit of what Dune Messiah and Children of Dune is about, and Im now wondering whether Dune part 2 is just the second third of a trilogy..., don't really want to go see a movie, where the real story and meaning of a movie is not arrived at again...


    I'll have to rewatch Dune part 1 was all setup without touching the point of the books.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,344 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    remember watching back to the future 2 in the cinema, enjoying it, and looking forward to part 3 when I realized there was going to be a third film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Trying to decide between iSense and IMAX for Dune 2 at Odeon Blanchardstown.

    I'm assuming IMAX would be the larger screen and better overall experience?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    BTTF was a stand alone story within an overall story though?

    Dune is the one story split down the middle. Not that I am not going but it can be a bit flat when nothing is resolved.

    They're eating the DOGS!!!

    Donald Trump 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,175 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That seems like being reluctant to savour a glass of fine whiskey because there will still be plenty left in the bottle.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Took Friday off so I could get to the first showing, Screen 1 at the local Vue; the first film had its flaws and by all accounts the reviews coming through my letterboxd speak of a spectacle and epic to match the first part. Absolutely buzzing to see this, and assuming it's not a total dud and desperate for it to be a hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Just booked the 70mm IMAX. Only able to get the third row. Hoping it's not too close, but I left it too long to book. Read that Chris Nolan likes the third row best, so I crossing my fingers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,175 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    A new film that's not even out at the time of writing has broken a record on IMDb.

    Dune: Part Two has a rating of 9.4, putting it at the top of the list for the best movies of all time as rated by regular users of the site.

    The Shawshank Redemption was previously top, with a rating of 9.3, with The Godfather just behind on 9.2 and five other films with a rating of 9.0.

    Well that's encouraging.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jimmyendless


    Lets comment back here next week. I'm in row J sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Going to see this double bill tonight before and after midnight, hope I will be able to stay awake as have to do a full day in the office today processing spice for the slave masters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I’ve to wait until the 23rd for Imax.

    But will catch it in regular cinema somewhere first, but haven’t booked it yet.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Love to see it; funny it's Screen 1 and the biggest screen. This is a regional Vue n' all, one that's rarely booked out.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,344 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    true, can easily watch any of the back to the future films at any stage



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭splashthecash


    What is the closest to a true IMAX experience in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Imax digital in Cineworld Parnell st. I'd presume.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Anyone know if the special edition popcorn buckets will be available in Ireland 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    even the director says the first book was misunderstood as to what the author wanted took from it so he wrote Messiah... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_-l6xq2KI

    Post edited by expectationlost on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    What a film. It’s a bit slow in 1st hour but rest of it grips you in till the very end. Totally epic sci-fi like nothing before, it’s not even very much like Dune P1!! Brilliant performances from all, especially Chalemet and Butler.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Context for those not in the know, these are custom, novelty popcorn buckets the AMC chain in America produces for big movies. Like for Wonka it was the bucket made to look like Wonka's hat. The Dune one was ... something.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭jimmyendless


    Watched the re-release of Dune Part 1 last night. Thought we would get a sneak peak of Dune 2 but nope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    That's very much r/dontputyourdickinthat.😮🤣

    I'm off to see part 2 at 7.30, not in an IMAX but it is a bigger screen and we do have central seats.

    I have been a fan of Dune since I 1st read the book as a kid in the 80s. It is a book I still re-read regularly and always take something new from. I thought Villeneuve's interpretation in 1 was brilliant and I really do think he has paid respect to the original and it's overarching story and theme.

    The most worrying thing for me about 2? Was Brian Herbert's glowing review.

    Given the absolute disaster Herbert & Kevin Anderson made of their effort to "grow" the Herbert Duniverse 😉 in prequels, sequels and god stop please, it's already dead-quels

    I hope he's not judging Villeneuve by his own piss poor standards?!?

    I do hope that Villeneuve takes it as far as God Emperor. Messiah and Children are easily enough spread over 2 movies but then it gets into the esoteric and really weird ones, Still better than Brian Herbert's efforts but best left on the page anyway.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,922 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    This comes up every time there's a prestige blockbuster, and unfortunately, the simple answer here is you're not going to get anything close to a true IMAX experience in Ireland, so it's not really worth worrying about. Just go to see it at the best screen or cinema you have easy access to.

    If a film has a 70mm release, then the IFI might have it. This doesn't, so it's not a concern. There's no complex format concerns as there were with Avatar 2 or Oppenheimer either.

    If you just want a big screen, any multiplex with a 'premium' offering (digital IMAX, iSENSE etc..) will probably be a step above the average screen, if you're happy to pay a bit extra.

    Personally, though, I tend to prefer the Light House in Dublin to any of the multiplexes: screens aren't as big, but it's just always reliable in terms of projection quality and audience. Just be aware it won't be screening on their bigger screen (1) until Sunday, as the Dublin Film Festival is on in the meantime. But it'll flag what screen it's on when you're booking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It suits his pockets to big up these movies. Will direct some people to his work.

    Or maybe he did just love it. There really has been little or no dissenting voices.

    I don't see him go past Messiah the plot gets a bit ropey and very wacky from Children on and would also require a whole new cast. I would love to see how they handle later stages Leto II from an art direction point of view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    On a tangential reference to above, I'm no fan of Ed Sheeran but there are rumors he's to collaborate with Dani Filth of death metal band Cradle of Filth. Looking forward to that output.

    In a somewhat related musical reference there's the below interesting snippet from Hans Zimmer regarding the ideas behind the soundtrack further adding to the experience. Fascinating stuff:




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Just out of the showing and while I'll put more thoughts together, this was a spectacular visual and aural experience, and for a mainstream epic a pretty brave film essentially decrying the folly and tragedy of religion and the fundamentalist belief in prophecy.

    It won't change your mind on the series as a whole, but hot damn this may be a future classic in the making



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,175 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I honestly find my 65" OLED TV delivers a better viewing experience and image quality compared to a cinema if I sit about 1.5m from it in a dark room. The viewing angle is on par with a big screen but the image quality is better than you get with that reflected from a screen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Very happy with the movie. That said the rotten tomatoes scored and the spiel about Austin Butler being a powerhouse villain? Is completely overblown IMO. The movie is visually stunning and a solid 7/10.

    The 1st hour of the movie does a good job of building Paul & Jessica's efforts to secure their place with the Fremen. A lot of reverence and reference to the book, particularly regarding Paul's incomplete visions.

    There's a few bits I feel were mishandled, but that was more a matter of my expectations than any mistakes or ball dropping on Villeneuve's part. Villeneuve has shifted the pacing and some of the plot, but it does hang together very well.

    I'll definitely go to watch it again.

    I will say something that isn't a spoiler, nor will it be much of a surprise 😉 I have no doubt that there are literal hours of footage that could be added to any future Directors Cut, should Denis ever decide to do 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,189 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Hmmm.......not quite up to the expectations TBH.

    It's impressive, but somewhat lacking in tangible feeling and expression, with a first hour that is extremely ponderous with only it's observations around religious mania and messianic machinations giving any sense of progression. Very surprised at that given the effort put into the first part putting its chess-pieces into place, but Villeneuve does have a tendency to 'over-egg' leading to a flabby midsection (BR2049) not to mention one of my, admittedly unfair, feeling so about the first part - it was always a film that felt either 20mins too long or two hours too short for me.

    I guess it's one of the disappointments with this, in that, at the time, I didn't think the first film could be properly judged without the whole picture, and unfortunately, it didn't improve the first film as I would have liked. Not too mention, that we have to go to the well again for the continuation of the story.

    Good points....the Bene Gesserit stuff, even Pugh was a little surprise (though the accent was a weird choice....too American), along with the subsequent religious-mania (include Ferguson in this), Feyd wasn't bad either with a striking introduction, technicalities of production are again first rate. Less impressive....still not feeling those two leads, final battle scenes surprisingly weak post the inital salvo, rushed towards the end after dragging its feet

    Certainly preferred the first part, especially after only rewatching last night, so I'd stick a 6/10 on this for the time being. Has it's moments, more than a few, but baulks under its weight a bit too much. There's a better film in there, no doubt about it, so it'd be interesting to see it revisited but that's too much to hope for with a Part 3 to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,175 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Back from seeing it. It's a terrific movie, however it was spoilt somewhat by Odeon having the sound way too loud. I'd say there was at least 10% distortion from their sound system in places and one driver had had enough and was actually buzzing in places.

    I won't be going back to a theatre in a hurry, but I am really looking forward to watching it again at home with better image and sound quality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Just out of seeing it. It is much better than the first and I enjoyed a lot of it but as with the first movie (based on reviews and reactions) it is vasty overrated.

    At times it's like what an art house student would produce if given an unlimited budget. Long indulgent scenes that add nothing to the story apart from bloat.

    Some good scenes but every time I thought it was about to get going the breaks were applied again. Some terrible editing in there too where scenes jumped in a very inorganic way.

    Still a decent watch that could have easily been 30 minutes shorter (and I'm someone that likes long movies).

    6/10.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    I thought it was great (albeit not flawless), but it needs Dune Messiah to be adapted now to come to completion.

    Fingers crossed that will be greenlit soon, but from what Villeneuve has said it's probably a few years away.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    On further reflection I think this film was a minor triumph to be honest, and while may not be a trilogy(?) that lives rent free in the pop cultural zeitgeist for years to come ala Star Wars or the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I do believe it might yet find itself up there, albeit as a more refined taste as opposed to the more emotive, visceral "canonical" blockbusters out there. Yet I'd be so bold as to say that of all the great blockbusters out there, few can claim to have had such a distinct voice and skilful hand at the tiller as Denis Vilenueve.

    For sure, in translation to mainstream cinema there was always an inevitable degree of dilution of the original novel's own themes - including the (admittedly sensible) removal of the use of "jihad" in describing Paul's holy war - yet this sequel was a rather riveting bit of a polemic stealthily dressed in the robes of an elaborate, ornate blockbuster. Villeneuve showed a singular prowess in this respect and the very final moments underlined the obscenity of what was unleashed, as an ostensibly uplifting & triumphant score played over the first overtures of what was going to be a calamitous theocratic coup. Where victory had been destined to be its most pyrrhic as a railroaded protagonist was destined to be the messianic figurehead as the previous galactic order burned around him. This was the classic Chosen One storyline allowed to metastasise into a terrible religious conflagration, Paul's emotional dilemma born from the struggle to grasp at where his thirst for revenge stopped and the seductive power of his new status began. The only true humanity in this story - and honestly, the only grounded beating heart among this cast of royals and rasputins - centred around Zendaya's Chani, who slowly became a hopeless bystander as she watched her tribe become overpowered by the false hope of outsider dogma, now embraced and turned towards a terrible purpose. 

    This perhaps lacked the arresting shock of the new that came with the 2021 original, but simply holding steady was its own success here: there were countless ways the ball could have been dropped yet the clarity and scope of vision remained intact; visually and aurally this was cinema continuing to deliver on its promise to take us places we couldn't imagine, witness scenes beyond imagining. This time with a smidge extra runway to push things a little further, with the most obvious standout being the entire section set on Giedi Prime, home to the provocatively depraved Harkonnen. Here, a "black sun" was the contrivance to have the entire planet - and thus the images on-screen - reduced to an inky black & almost blinding white. It was an alluring nightmare world; while the alien desert of Arrakis retained that terrible barren beauty, accentuated by the commitment to film in actual locations, the sand under people's feet real and thus adding an authenticity and lived-in tangibility sorely lacking in Hollywood. I understood the production team used "orange screen" in place of green screens, all to prevent any hint of mismatch between FX and real location - and the results remained majestic.

    As with the first film, the abridged nature of the script - if one can call 166 minutes "abridged" - did mean certain aspects paled a little against the broader tragedy taking place in the heart of Arrakis; the most obvious being Florence Pugh and Christopher Walked fulfilling functional cameo roles as they milled about pretty gardens, light-years from events on the titular Dune. But when the production design of something like this was this immersive, this sumptuous, it was hard to get too irritated by any mismatch in narrative focus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭santana75


    Saw part II last night and as someone earlier mentioned I found the first hour ponderous. The relationship between Paul and Chani has about as much chemistry as there is betweeb oil & water. Timothy chamalet just doesn't have that leading man vibe about him, even though hollywood is desperately trying to cast him in that role. For me it was Javier bardem who stole the movie, he is brilliant. All in all though this is a magnificent spectacle, a lot of the scenes are awe inspiring and the battle scenes are very well executed. It looks amazing and the pace does pick up towards the inevitable final battle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,449 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Thought it was fantastic, my one gripe being the colossal miscasting that was Christopher Walken as Emperor Shaddam.

    It was basically Christoper Walken being Christopher Walken in the Dune universe. Absolutely ridiculous. Totally took me out of the film for any scenes he was in.

    Aside from that though I loved every second of it. Can't wait for Messiah.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I've seen this said a few times but don't entirely get it. Shaddam IV barely featured to the extent I didn't even get a read on the performance such that I'd have called it Default Walken; Florence Pugh had more and even she functioned as a bit of a cameo. If anything my abiding thinking was just how old he looked, hunched in that way especially old people can get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Saw this last night in Leicester Square IMAX which was a great experience.

    I think Chalamet has done a great job of changing his performance between both films to reflect the development of the character.

    Walken was truly terrible. Just. No.

    Bardem is fantastic in this as the believer. Even the slightly comedic bits he pulls off without seeming corny.

    Really enjoyed it. Now we play the waiting game... again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,449 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Any time he spoke it was in his trademark Christopher Walken cadence. He even has his Christopher Walken hairdo.

    Don't get me wrong, I love him as an actor. But he's become a bit of a character actor at this stage and shouldn't have been in the film imo.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Bardem is fantastic in this as the believer. Even the slightly comedic bits he pulls off without seeming corny.

    Another actor might have gone way too hammy with the constant "he's the Messiah!!" line readings but I think he sold the increasing hold religious fundamentalism was taking on the Fremen. Like I said the final moments could easily have come across as obviously chilling with a more direct soundtrack choice.

    Well, therein lies my point. Walken hasn't ever been an actor with a huge range or that chameleon quality that I ever didn't think "oh, it's Christopher Walken". So for me his Shaddam was as fine as such a small character could ever be - even if his last act "fúck it I'm off to Arrakis" was too sudden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Just out and thought it was great. As good as the first with the only difference being you are obviously not shocked by the spectacle this time.

    Ferguson was great again and Bardem even better than the last movie (even snuck in a Monthly Python reference). Pugh done really well with her little bit and the princess and Lady Fenring were used well to explain the "plans within plans". Walken's emperor looked a bit too doting and stupid though and I would have always seen him as a more powerful man.

    Elements and plot threads of Messiah definitely seeped in as well so I'de say Villeneuve is banking on a third.

    Impressed with the Maxx screen in Limerick Omniplex too. The under seat speakers worked really well with the worm scenes.

    And fair play to Paul for being even louder than Morpheus 😝



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Beric Dondarrion


    Enjoyed Part II but not nearly as much as Part I. Thought Walken was seriously miscast, Bardem was brilliant in this segment and for me was the standout. One thing though which I thought was seriously over used was the Harkonnen's treatment of underlings. Yes they're evil, yes they're morally repugnant etc. but it got far too clichéd as the movie progressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They overdid the Lynch style BDSM vibe for the Harkonnen's too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well Villeneuve has said the script is there but assuming Warners green light a third, the director may horse-trade for a break; by the sounds of it he's a bit addled by constant Dune. So would depend on box office and how much runway WB give him - either way might be a few years before we see a third.

    So on that note, Domestic box office opening weekend was $81 million; not too shabby and will be interesting what kind of legs it gets with the broadly positive word of mouth. For reference, the first film did $430 million total, despite COVID plus all WB getting simultaneous digital release.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I think not ending it here was a mistake. Messiah and further Dune stories get weird(er) and doesn't translate as well to film for the general audience.

    Unless they're just going to take general bits from it (Chani, Irulan and Paul's thing and heir elements) and maybe bring in more of the wars between the time gap.


    As for this film, it's excellent. Very much enjoyed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Messiah doesn't really get more weird than the original. It starts going bonkers once it focuses on Alia and the kids in Children.

    Messiah is slower and more political but they have already brought forward some of the politics to this movie.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    In fairness, this sequel was itself weird considering a main character in this film was a hyper evolved fetus growing in Jessica's womb. It does get more into the weeds of the weird stuff all right, Messiah the third book being the last outwardly political books. And also much shorter than the original tome so easier to make a single film from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I imagine the foetus was done because the book version was too much for casual fans (and probably hard to cast). I would have preferred if we got the crazy knife child though.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Alia as a murderous child with a knife would at least have absolutely, categorically, underlined the idea that this did not have a happy ending; I'm quite astounded that I've seen a lot of (non sarcastic) snark about this being a "white saviour" movie - when it is quite clearly anything but that. Quite the opposite from the off.



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