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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

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  • #23342
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I can't see a 19 yr old getting minutes with Leinster when there's a 21 year old with more experience available. Not knocking Spicer, but he's not close to where he needs to be. C.O.T is older and fitter and has a good bit of experience.

    Spicer may not make the academy. Corrigan is the same age and looks at a higher level. I'd get them both into the academy tbh. It's also a possibility that Mikey o Reilly makes the academy.



  • #23343
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    All the best wishes to Ross on his journey. I hope he's getting good money. Shrewd signing by Van Grann.



  • #23344
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,478 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Will Deeney make it long term? I don't see much in him, be it strength, athleticism or handling but he may be a decent, cheap 4th choice lock for a few years



  • #23345
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,372 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Always enjoyed Molony’s partnership with Triggs, odd times at Leinster but they seemed to have a good partnership going.



  • #23346
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121848196#Comment_121848196

    I think the more exposure he gets the better he'll be. He's going to see a lot of minutes and he's got the ability. Deeny is fairly big and he's more of a workhorse. Replacing Molony is difficult, as he is very much needed for leadership. Deeny won't be expensive and has still got potential to improve. I reckon Deeny will become a solid operator for Leinster. It will be interesting to see if Soroka is retained and seen as a 2nd row. Between them, there's reason to be optimistic.



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  • #23347
    FrannoFan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    Maloney is a stalwart but as I mentioned before there is a financial tightening going on at all the provinces and someone like him as a 4th choice lock is probably too expensive.

    Also at some point you are blocker of minutes to up and comers who “might” make the grade.



  • #23348
    Serbian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Serbian


    Sorry to see Molony go, but he's too good to be the bit part player he was likely to become next season. It's not that long ago that Crusaders were showing their team videos of Molony's ball handing and passing skills as a way to unlock defences. He's obviously not a top tier lock in his own right, but he has a unique blend of skills that make him a top tier squad player. Excellent leader and expert set piece operator with the ball handling skills of a centre.



  • #23349
    Dexter Kind Boar
    Posts: 0 ✭ Dexter Kind Boar


    This is a very astute signing by Bath. Finn Russell should be able to maximise all of Ross Molony's qualities as a link forward in their attack.



  • #23350
    Billy_the_Kid
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Yep good signing for Bath, he is English qualified too



  • #23351
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,175 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    There's a very interesting soundbite from Murray Kinsella in today's Rugby Weekly podcast. He's been speaking to a member of the Leinster camp who says Leinster have completely changed how they view the league season.

    Previously they strive to win every game and get as good a seeding as possible for the playoffs. Now they view the regular season as a warm up for those fixtures and aren't as gung ho about placing as highly as possible. Very Springbok mentality.



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  • #23352
    Harper Whispering Police
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,106 ✭✭✭✭ Harper Whispering Police


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849594#Comment_121849594

    I'd hope Leinster are still looking to win every game, but I sincerely hope the mindset is changed enough that we don't leave any more knockout games in the hands of jokeshop referees. No more second strings, don't care what's coming up the following week.



  • #23353
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    How can you find the schedule and watch the schools cup



  • #23354
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849658#Comment_121849658

    only 2 games left

    premier sport 1 tomorrow at 3pm



  • #23355
    hold my beer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    The @LeinsterBranch Twitter account is good for info too.



  • #23356
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849594#Comment_121849594

    Don't care for this mentality at all.



  • #23357
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849852#Comment_121849852

    Kinda seems like they could do both?



  • #23358
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,955 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849852#Comment_121849852

    Sounds like pure nonsense to me anyway. Leinster used to absolutely coast the league season and now they can't coast it any more. The notion that they take it less seriously now than they used to is hard to fathom.



  • #23359
    Gemma Repulsive Liquor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Gemma Repulsive Liquor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121848459#Comment_121848459

    Id say they where alright


    "Hey sam whitelock and scott this is the goal"



  • #23360
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    How's Molony England qualified?



  • #23361
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Will be sad to see Molony go but the need for the likes of him to bolster the squad is not as strong as it was in the past.

    There are fewer games played during international windows and with the WC out of the way the top players should be back reasonably early into the season this coming year and they reassess what a world post Snyman looks like for when guys are away with the Lions.



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  • #23362
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849594#Comment_121849594

    I'm kind of surprised it took leinster to hire a springbok to tell them that you can only win trophies in the playoffs. Was that like a one page powerpoint or something?



  • #23363
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849852#Comment_121849852

    Why? You don't win anything for topping the league after the regular season. They're still aiming to win the league. If you're clearly superior to everyone else during the regular season you're kind of showing your hand too early. Now they're aiming to peak when it matters most.



  • #23364
    Neil3030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849594#Comment_121849594

    Sharks are definitely testing the upper-limits of said strategy this season.



  • #23365
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849862#Comment_121849862

    Doesn't sound like nonsense to me - seems like coaching 101 given their circumstances.

    Ignoring all else, even from a pure player mentality perspective for this season it would make sense to frame it as a season long effort to the team, as they are learning so many new things.

    You shouldnt/cant dump everything on them at once, you want them to build on what they're learning over the season with a goal of peaking by the knockouts.

    This is even more important when the core of the squad wasn't there during preseason and missing a big chunk of time now - they're going to at times take steps back during the season and you want them not to get frustrated and to continue to be forward looking. You want them to be ok with making mistakes now if it helps them to be are ready later.

    Their goal is still to win every game, it is just the messaging that is different.



  • #23366
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121849996#Comment_121849996

    You can win the league and win the regular season just fine, and that should be the goal with the squad Leinster have. Leinster's problems the last two years have had absolutely nothing to do with "showing their hand too early".

    Also, SA's supposed approach has not been mind blowingly effective in the RC or domestic competitions. Three consecutive 1 point wins in the World Cup does not suggest a flawless, winning strategy. There has been a huge element of luck in their success.



  • #23367
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121850011#Comment_121850011

    Nah, I'm with awec. "viewing the regular season as a warm-up" is nonsense. Also, if they genuinely don't care about where they finish they are morons. An away semi final in SA is an entirely different prospect to a game in Dublin and you'd be a fool to not care which you got.



  • #23368
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121850113#Comment_121850113

    Do you really believe anyone in Leinster 'genuinely don't care about where they finish'?

    Feel you're getting worked up a little too much about a third-hand paraphrased comment. We've seen them actively push for late wins and bonus points celebrate them. There is zero evidence they do not care.

    I don't know any element of life where you're learning something new and treat every test as the final exam that must be as close to perfect as possible. Not only is it not achievable but it is also mentally exhausting. Every sport talks about 'peaking at the right time', I dont see how this is anything different, though potentially poorly worded here.



  • #23369
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121850167#Comment_121850167

    No. For clarity, I think if Kinsella really did report it as "Now they view the regular season as a warm up for those fixtures and aren't as gung ho about placing as highly as possible." then his reporting is nonsense or poor framing.



  • #23370
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,154 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121850203#Comment_121850203

    Not sure what the issue is then.

    Leinster have never gone 100% to win every game in the past so anyone framing it like it never happened before is wrong.

    It isnt the worst thing in the world if there is potentially more discussion this year about losses not being the end of the world during the regular season, given the huge change and disruption they faced so far this year. There is no evidence they are purposefully dropping points.



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  • #23371
    bingobango12
    Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭bingobango12


    Will be sad to see Molony leave, he’s a fantastic player. Mad he hasn’t been capped at all really.

    Had heard he was going to Chicago with Nick McCarthy, Dave Kearney and Adam Byrne last summer. Obviously Byrne retired instead and Molony got the offer from Bath which will be a far better move for him personally. Think he’s good mates with McCarthy and Mark O’Keefe who’s already over there so it kind of made sense when it was mentioned but he’s far far too good for that American league.



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