Deposit return scheme (recycling)

In fairness sticking fake barcodes on cans and collecting refunds you are not entitled to is completely different to picking up litter and collecting the refund due.

I Disagree with the overall premise of your comment, but i also honestly admit that what you just described would infact be a waste of my time as I already earn good enough money, and its not be feasible or worth the risk to anyone that has a stable income. Most Salaries pay more per hour than doing that sort of thing. if i'm going to take time out of my day to go to a machine i'm aiming for something over a tenner at the very least, and also do it legitimately with proper cans and bottles containing the logo, the REAL logo and barcodes, not some random thing printed out or copied, or a sticker or anything like that (which i'd imagine takes even more time for a person to do).

You may have gotten steps 1 and 2 mixed up, but i don't think it matters anyway.

These lads that are doing this sort of thing need to get a job that gives them access to 1000s of legitimate cans and bottles, so they can do it the proper legal way, instead of chancing it with stickers. As far as we know, the return ceo said people can redeem cans that other people discard/throwaway, so perhaps a job where factories do this on mass? ;) i've read the handbook and as long as the deposit is paid, anyone else reclaiming that deposit is fair game. if your brother or neighbor gives you an empty can they purchased, after consuming it of course, you are free to bring it to an RVM and get the deposit. Same also applies with any that you find, as ceo of return suggested people doing with any cans/bottles they find

Speaking of which i've alot to redeem today, a massive amount. and when i say massive i mean MASSIVE. wish me luck

You have a good point, but some people value their time more than others, especially if more money can be gained doing something else.

i like the tv show analogy you mentioned, but adding to it not only is watching tv €0 an hour, its actually minus whatever the electricity costs too! Infact some people even pay to watch tv shows, and by this i mean pay on demand for renting and online movie or series or some pay to watch thing. There's ways to actually get paid to watch tv too, but its very hard to reach and requires being part of a survey panel and being picked.

i tried it one time when recovering at home from a workplace related accident, and it was fun for a while but then got boring. Long story short it makes you watch tv shows differently, in such a way where you can't really enjoy the show and are getting paid to analyze things and give feedback on what you watch, like literally every episode. There's no relaxing and watching if being paid to do it.

in all honesty what seems like the bigger waste of time than anything mentioned here thusfar is this return scheme and the RVM machines themself. They've takenn alot of people's time, and its very disheartening especially when they don't work. There's been countless stories of people here coming with bags of cans and bottles and then leaving empty handed. Sometimes only 2 or 3 are accepted. Very annoying when that happens.

I didn't get steps 1 and 2 mixed up, no. They needed to find out the barcode for an inscope can before they could replicate that barcode and print it out.

Tesco delivered to me this evening, and I got charged a deposit on an own brand bottle of cordial which has no ReTurn logo on it.

I have always washed these bottles and placed them in the green bin outside my door. Now I have to bring these bottles to a machine for a coupon, and for this particular bottle have been charged a deposit which the machines won't give back to me.

Who is keeping that deposit now? Tesco? ReTurn? The state?

Typical Ireland, make a balls of something that was working fine.

An absolute scam of a system. I generally laugh at people who scream 'scam!' at anything that annoys them, but this system is just that.

'Not for Profit' is bollox

(i) The people working for them need to get paid, and the more systems they sell, the more money they get, so there's obviously a motive for them to push these whatever way they can

(ii) The obvious hop on the train of shrinkflation and rip-off charging by manufacturers and shops taking advantage of this, branding pack design changes as 'new' for a way to charge a higher price

The Government here have been sold an absolute pup. I don't care about what other countries are doing and if it's working well there etc. I care about my own country, and it's absolute bollox.

No you're just a guy.

I'm not going to humour your weird requests.

And anyway, you'd dismiss them out of hand if I did lower myself.

Look up 2 of the top lads running it Ciaran Foley and Tony Keohane, both old school Tesco and a platter of other directorships including the FAI, and because afaik it's registered as a CLG company they can make a complete balls of it and walk away with no liabilities so nothing new there.

Local Tesco today. Small store.

A few people coming in with their bag of bottles & cans.

Machine not working. They were standing around as staff peered into the machine unable to do anything.

I will continue to put my plastic bottles and Al cans into my recycle bin at home. I wish i could elect to give my bottles and cans to charity to collect the refund.

Why do I have visions of e-voting machines and fire sales?

Is this income streams to the retailers?

I was under the impression retailers get 2.2c for each container that actually makes it into the RVM.

No, I thought you were referring to the amount producers pay to place a can which is about the same. The price rises so far all seem to be on the producer side. Misinterpreted what you were asking.

Retailers get that 2.2c, or ~3.2c for manual returns. Manual will never pay its way but the RVMs should at least cover their own costs.

Lidl was spending their own money on that, as a marketing stunt. Who do you propose funds that long-term?

It'll be your own money whatever the answer is - if you expect the Government to pay for it, it'll be from tax revenue. Retailers and producers would just put it on to prices.

When I hear subsidies especially related to private business because of a government programme, my ears prick up.