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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭kazamo



    “THE Department of Health's top civil servant is retiring on a package of €540,000 after securing a boost to his pension.

    But secretary general Michael Scanlan is not availing of the early retirement scheme for the public service, which ends this month.

    He is the latest in a raft of top civil servants to retire in recent months, including fellow secretary general Dermot McCarthy, who sparked controversy with his gold-plated €730,000 retirement package.”


    Civil servants get packages too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭csirl


    These arent exit packages. These are their contributory pensions on mandatory retirement! They are not negotiated - there is a formula based on contributions/number of years worked as per other retirement pension schemes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 sekefhiijj


    Why aren't the media probing the Chris Greene thing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DrZeuss


    Mr Stanley said that this is a "forward-looking report", any future exit agreements should not have confidentiality clauses and "people who are on those types of salaries shouldn't expect them".

    I still don't understand why there should be any exit packages. If someone is not doing their job then discipline them, and if they want to leave then why pay them off. It just seems bonkers to me that there's such a thing as an exit package (and so many of them).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Caquas


    The Government thought Catherine dodged a bullet last week but Siún has fired an Exocet that will sink her.

    Her detailed statement challenges the Minister's account on a series of points and destroys Catherine's line of defence. It is worth reading in full.

    Last week, the Minister said she was unable to express confidence in the Chair of RTÉ because Siún repeatedly misled her about the exit packages and then refused to meet with her. Siún statement gives specific details to refute both those claims. Especially damaging is the fact that, contrary to the Minister's claims last week, she did not meet regularly with the Chair over the past year and preferred to deal with RTÉ via her civil servants.

    The Minister's intervention in late February, after being "hands-off" throughout the crisis in RTÉ, was disastrous. The Taoiseach and other Cabinet Ministers eventually had to rally around her because the coalition deal means that only Eamon Ryan can get rid of Green Party Ministers but the Green Party structures make it impossible for him to get rid of his Deputy Leader. She seemed to survive unscathed the lengthy Oireachtas Committee discussion and the Dáil debate. But now Siún says the Minister has lied to everyone.

    If she can't rebut Siún claims, that would be the effective end of her career. Would this Government continue with a zombie Minister in such a sensitive portfolio?




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭yagan


    This is rte, know your place pleb.

    Now back to watching "dancing with the staff".



  • Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭kazamo


    They are exit packages……


    “Mr McCarthy, who was secretary general to the government for eleven years and also secretary general to three Taoisigh, retired in July.

    In addition to his annual pension of €142,670, he also received a lump sum of €428,011 and a special severance package of €142,670 bringing his overall payment to €713,351.

    Mr McCarthy was Bertie Ahern’s chief advisor during the Northern peace process negotiations and was in a pivotal government position, even attending Cabinet meetings, during the economic meltdown and the bailout from the EU/IMF.

    All civil servants are entitled a lump sum of 1.5 times their final salary on retirement. Only the highest earners pay tax on this amount.”



    So based on the above 713k, he got a special severance package of 142k

    The scheme refers to 1.5 times final salary, but they didn’t apply that. He was on 208k when he left but they applied his pre crash salary of 285k so that he would get more. That benefitted him to the tune of over 110k.

    So 250k of that package was a nice little sweetener.

    Please remember that Mr Mc Carthy left when we were under the control of the troika, a time in which we were told about extra taxes, new taxes and here is the state trying to made the termination pay as big as they can.


    My point all along since I started contributing to this thread, was that RTE behaviour was more of a learned behaviour rather than them doing something way out of kilter with the rest of the PS/Civil Service. Maybe the RTE severance payments are also made on the some contractual arrangement as with civil service terms, but we will never know as the Politicans are too busy grandstanding to ask pertinent follow up questions.

    I have no interest in RTE continuing in anything like its current form, and I see this whole 8 months culminating in the PAC report today …..as yet another wasted opportunity in this state.

    We are great at tribunals of inquiry, great at reports, and awful at implementing reform.



  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭csirl


    What strikes me most from the SNR statement is her belief that the exit packages issue was closed as it had been dealt with months earlier by the RTE renumeration committee etc.

    Just because RTE had "dealt' with something, it doesnt mean the Department considers it closed. In the hierarcical struture, RTE committees and its Board are further down the foodchain to the Department, which is the de facto owner of the organisation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Looking at it cynically, they prevent legal problems in that the cost of defending a legal action against getting rid of someone is evaluated and they are paid to go away quietly.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭RoTelly



    Terence O’Rourke - KPMG guy

    Terri Moloney - Human Resources gal

    Dr Neasa Hardiman - Nepobaby Okay okay but its true (She desined the RTÉ logo btw and I think her father composed the RTÉ news theme)


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,469 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Jaysus……One of those Hardimans!!!

    Theres always one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Will they be enough to fix some of the fundamental problems with RTE?

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Who's the female that looks like Woody Allen with a wig.. is it the CFO ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,469 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Terence….. not a good look I’m afraid….. bang of Johnny Ronan about him…… not what’s needed in RTE. based on first impressions.

    I could be wrong though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Caquas


    If the Department did not regard the matter as closed, they have a bizarre way of conducting their business.

    She informed the Department about the exit packages back in October. No questions or issues were raised at that time or subsequently until, out of the blue and without prior notice at the end of meetings in mid-February, the Minister asked her about the Collins package. Siún responded off the top of her head and, when she realised that she had given the wrong information, she phoned the Secretary General the following day to clarify. She admits she was wrong but it was a simple memory lapse, she had no reason to mislead the Minister and she clarified the matter quickly.

    In no way should this be a hanging offence for the Chair of a State Board.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yeah former CFO

    She was going with the formal Wonka Jonny Deep look like Forbes and Moya but she can't pull it off.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭csirl


    The organisation putting confidentiality clauses in exit agreements in a public sector organidation is a 'hanging offence' for the chair in my opinion. Especially given RTEs recent history.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    same could be said of the DG.

    IMO RTÉ have made some strange decision in the last 8 months.

    • Pretending IMO that Collins and Coveney had left on their own accord unwilling to answer if they receive an exit payment (Just read the Coveney press statement https://about.rte.ie/2023/07/09/rory-coveney-announces-resignation-from-rte/)
    • Publishing legal letters saying why they could not breach confidentiality, but not releasing any information as to what legal implications may befall RTÉ should they fire both for gross misconduct, other than to say it very difficult to fire someone in Ireland this isn't America (as if to suggest you can't fire someone).
    • Moving Robert Shortt to the position of Company Secretary a man who sat on the board during years of mis-governance and who's only contribution in the Oirechtas was to get angry at a politician for suggestion it might be better to buy a round of drinks in your local put with 160euro.
    • Keeping Eimear Cusack on the leadership team, could the DG not have said look we think your important in HR but your position on the leadership team won't be part of that role.
    • Giving Adrian Lynch a nominal promotion to Deputy DG (why is this role required?)
    • Suggesting that savings will be made by the departure of Coveny due to the role being made redundant but at the same time splitting Paula Mullooly's role between 2 people.
    • Getting the same PR firm that help try to spread the good word on Toy Show the Musical (q4pr) to help with PR at a cost of 70k in six months.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭tom23


    No strange decisions there. they just protected themselves to the hilt and made sure everyone was sorted. Personifies this country.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,469 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Strange decisions for properly run companies…

    Not strange for RTE.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,340 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Still no comment from Breda O'Keefe and no sign she's going to pay any of her ludicrous exit payment back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Damien360


    It may be morally wrong to take that money but you can bet it's clear legally. Existing practice or normal practice gets around any legal issues. Bit like "he got it so why can't I ?".



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,340 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    So two fingers to the nation really. What a woman she is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Damien360


    No different to any of the others in RTE. So many questions on governance and accounting in there. Imagine an accountant that routinely rounds down payouts ? You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Shifting the goalposts.

    These confidentiality clauses are fairly standard business practice and we see the HSE used them even more generously. No one in Government objected until the media took notice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭Karppi


    There are so many with their trotters and snouts in the trough. It needs to stop, but how?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,469 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Get someone with a good strong nutbag who is not part of the Monkstown set.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I would have liked to see an end to this exit package crap.

    Yes retire by all means and take your final salary payment and your retirement fund/pot and then go gently into the night.

    Stop this topping up pensions. You earned enough over the years to put enought away for your old age.

    Others, many others, manage. Why not these shysters.

    The level of greed in people who I would imagine have.more than enough is sickening.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


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