Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Is what your saying not more like.. 'Let's spend money and effort locking one door, even if another door is wide open'

Presumably there's some reason that information isn't already collected and passed to immigration in every scenario. What's changing it going to involve, and for what benefit?

Very much we look rich because our GDP is unrealistic.

But I'm not sure the rest of the world knows how much of a tax-haven we are. We try to hide it.

I don't think people from outside Ireland, and especially from the global south, understand that a country can be so rich on paper yet have such a terrible health service, housing etc.

I've heard anecdotally of people coming on visa schemes and turning around a few months later and leaving when they see what conditions are really like.

After that, the problem I see with making things harder is that generally it costs a lot, is ineffective, and can lead to unintended consequences such as increased dependance on trafficking etc.

I mean to countries they aren't citizens of. I've no link as I don't think it has even happened.

Yes, it's a fallacy to think you can make the refugee situation go away by simply passing new laws - most genuine asylum seekers are pretty desperate and are not even bothered by things like border control or passports, so it's not going to impact their movement at all.

Anyone who has travelled the world will know that it is not racist. You obviously haven't a clue and are just listening to what you're being told by RTE etc.

I'd point to the amount we had coming up to 2004 and it dropped massively after we abolished birthright citizenship. We didn't get poorer in 2004 but immigration dropped massively after that decision. They were coming here as we were a lot softer than any other EU country, and we've returned to being that. They know they won't be moved on and even if they're given a deportation notice, they'll likely still be allowed to stay.

The only thing that will change it imo is if they realise they're unwelcome here.

Yes Shur do nothing it will be grand is it not great so many want to come here I am flattered .

No one has forgotten that, no more than anyone has said "all migrants are criminals" - let's be clear about these things!

However, allowing and indeed actively encouraging (as Roderic and the Government have done) ANYONE to come try their luck increases the level of risk - especially when those individuals arrive with fake or no documentation at all, or under false pretenses (claiming asylum but in reality an economic migrant). We have no way to determine what other laws or rules they might feel fine about breaking.

Better we just have an effective border control, where those who are verified as legitinate are allowed entry (whether it be to work or for refuge - but always within sustaintable numbers), where those who we're unsure about are held (or free to leave again) until we can verify their story, and where those whose details don't add up or are found to pose verified risk are rejected outright.

That's all that's needed really and it's entirely within our rights and capability if the will was there.

If only he was in power to do something about it.

Yup, I'm taking anything they say this year as them covering for themselves and there's no intention of bringing it in. Actions mean more than words at this stage and I'd probably check the sky if Varadkar said it was blue

That may be true but that avoids the elephant in the room as to why little Ireland is taking more per capita than anywhere else. Incentives I hear you say! Who needs to work for a wage when you can be gifted it !

He can get to feck. There was cheap air travel and plenty of conflicts when the country went bankrupt in 2008 and for the subsequent years after.

Very interesting how we only had a fraction of what we are seeing now, remember with all the millions crossing Europe after nana Merkel, we nearly had to fly in our own allotment of Syrians as none wanted here, it was all Germany and Sweden.

I wonder what areas Ireland still had the significant cuts in during those years, compared to those two? Would it be no social housing to be handed out and under 25s only getting €100 a week at the time?

I mean 20 years ago, Iraq and Afghanistan were being bombed to bits, Israel and Palestine was still an issue, Africa was still going through various famines and issues (Darfur etc started back then). Only real missing one is war in Europe but go back a bit further and you had the Yugoslavian war in the 90s which was atrocious and I can't imagine Ukraine and Russia are going as low as that went. Can add in items like Rwanda, Iraq again etc.

Main point is Martin's point is a load of shite

Is Feidir Linn.

(Then we can just build more or something).

I'd imagine those two lads were educated with high value skills that will contribute to the betterment of this country. Not very fair to compare them to sketchy ipa's.