Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans in OP**

It's completely factual that Bailey had a propensity for using extreme violence (could have killed her in his own words), lied about his alibi, burned clothes and shoes in the days after, and foresaw something bad happening a few hours before it actually happened.

In contrast all we've heard from you on here is opinion and speculation, but no facts. You claimed for days Shirley was allowed go to the dump without her car being searched. Turns out it never happened.

Facts are facts. But The question is whether they have any relevance as evidence.

He did have a tendency to domestic violence. Fact. But 25% of all reported violence in Ireland was domestic in nature in 2003. So its not uncommon. And not evidence of his involvement.

He didn't lie about his alibi....he forgot a particular event when asked to fill in a questionnaire a week later. Again a fact yes. Evidence no.

The date of the bonfire is disputed. In any case, lots of rural folk burn rubbish.... so a fact that it took place but not evidence.

And the foresight.......disputed and not, by any stretch, evidence.

What central to this debate is how convincing the known evidence against Bailey is.

And its flimsy. Whether its factual or not, its flimsy. Even the Gardai said that. And no amount of reptition changes that.

You and I both know he didn't forget. He'd be laughed out of court if he tried that. The DPP was laughably gullible on that one. Bailey forgot 8 days after despite his newspaper article appearing 2 days beforehand, but was able to remember in detail 6 weeks later. And pigs fly.

Neighbours clearly saw a bonfire over christmas. Forensics found evidence of clothes and shoes were destroyed.

The foresight is not disputed, he admitted it in court.

More how Bailey rigged it, deliberately and accidently. Put himself front and centre. If you are referring to Sheridans documentary, anyone believing Marie Farrell as a witness immiedately loses credibility imo, but no doubt the yanks and brits will love it!

Now the DPP is “laughably gullible” - all those years of study and hoodwinked by the dastardly Bailey- drat and double drat🤪

Its clear there’s no point in engaging with some posters with comments like this- when even the DPP who provided very reasonable guidance around how the evidence submitted would be treated, and they still wish to argue that they know better, it’s folly to even begin to engage with such twaddle.

Yes I think that’s the case I remember- didn’t he live in the same locality- I think the whole locality were voluntarily swab tested at the time and he avoided it somehow - possibly moving away for a while/ -went on to have a family and everything then bang- one day a DNA familial match .

I’ wonder was the person who committed suicide investigated in some appropriate manner - not disrespecting the dead or this persons good name, but I think its a clear line of enquiry but still respecting his innocence in this matter. Even a statement from todays Garda investigating team outlining how satisfied they are that all lines of enquiry have been followed through and that there are no outstanding areas of concern or that they have not been blocked on any one line of enquiry would help - but I won’t hold my breath on that statement

There were actually 2 potential suspects who committed suicide.

Daniel Du Plantier? The guy who wanted the case reopened after it was closed and Bailey acknowledged as the prime suspect?

Bruno? The guy who had a proveable alibi?

Neighbour who committed suicide? Sorry what's your evidence here he had something to do with the murder? Was he found having a bonfire a few days after? Was he noted for extreme violence? Did he predict something bad happening a few hours before it happened?

Its a fact Alfie was at the crime scene at the time of the murder? Care to back that one up? How close to the gate was he at the time of the murder? This is your fact, so you're going to have to prove it!

Nope with his changing alibis, bonfire, history of extreme almost murderous violence, and prediction of something bad happening he landed himself as a well qualified suspect and remains so to this day.

You appear to have abandoned your assassin with a rock theory and everyone now accepts Shirleys behaviour was not suspicious that morning. So you're not really making a very good case for alternative suspects are you? Other than "Bailey didn't do it" you don't have much?

So the "French lead" Jim Sheridan is pursuing was identified by none other than Marie Farrell. This is desperate stuff from Sheridan, he's really reached rock bottom with it.

Here we go again, making up our own facts to suit a narrative.

We don't know how much Shirley's car was checked out before she drove away.

Just because we don't know that we can't assume it was not checked out.

As it’s over a month old probably posted already but an interesting article nevertheless

“Pat Marry, a retired detective inspector who led multiple successful murder inquiries, also believes it is still not too late to achieve some closure for the dead woman’s family and the community of Schull, where she was murdered in 1996.

However, he argued a completely new Garda investigation, with a handpicked team of detectives, should have been created to carry out a fresh investigation. It was unwise of the Garda to persist with “reviews” of the evidence gathered by previous investigators, he said.”

So if this current team of detectives are simply going over old ground yet again, it’s likely that we’re heading for the same or similar outcome- here’s a senior and experienced detective with a number of solved serious crimes under his belt and even he is saying they should have started afresh - if you’re not going to listen to your own experts there’s very little you can do here.

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/01/23/toscan-du-plantier-murder-was-very-solvable-case-but-for-garda-errors/

May have been, who's to know? A twig off those brambles could have been caught in a crack...a bit of blood on the ground could have been in the tyre tread. Apparently there wasn't a scene-of-crime team onsite at the time.

I note that Bailey's car did not show any significant forensic traces at all. But Ms Shirley's car drove right over an area right beside the crime scene. The escape route of the killer, no less. I'd very much like to know what the investigating team said or wrote about this incident.

Bear in mind also that a Garda sat into Shirley's car and drove it from where she abandoned it out to the cordon, about 150 mtrs.