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Dublin - Metrolink (Swords to Charlemont only)

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    #5132
    Consonata
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    https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/0305/1436165-metrolink/


    Dartmouth Road will be fully closed during civil works, a period estimated to take two and a half years with pedestrian access only.

    "Even if the project has a net gain for Dublin that is too high a price to pay for the residents on Dartmouth Road," Mr Furminger said.

    Good lord.



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    #5133
    Coyote
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853940#Comment_121853940

    The closest building is 0m Horizontal, that means they will be blasting under peoples houses as part of the vent tunnel


    Railway Order/Environmental Impact Assessment Report (EIAR) / volume 5 appendices / Chapter 05 MetroLink Construction Phase / A5.20 Blasting Strategy

    A5.20 Blasting Strategy.pdf

    https://downloads.metrolink.ie/documentsro/A5.20%20Blasting%20Strategy.pdf

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    #5134
    VinLieger
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853882#Comment_121853882

    Fair enough but you do know that the tunneling and excavating of each of the stations will not take 9 years right? Sure they only are going to have a single TBM. Thats absolutely what you are implying by claiming nearby houses will be uninhabitable for the entire construction period. Also ill refer you to the anecdote previously mentioned here where people complained about noise during the port tunnel excavation had to have it explained that the work being done was currently several miles away and it was actually all in their head.



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    #5135
    Consonata
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853982#Comment_121853982

    One building, as far as can be seen from the drawings at least. Sure its unfortunate, but it is hard to feel too sorry for them given that their property will triple in value upon it being finished. They're walking distance from a Metro to the Airport.



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    #5136
    prunudo
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    If they don't like it, they should move to the country. Dublin is changing, either get on the public transport bandwagon or piss off and let those that want to embrace a modern city reap the benefits.



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    #5137
    timmyntc
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    Blasting under a house does not make it uninhabitable either. And blasting is not a 9 year long activity, not even close



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    #5138
    Tileman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853976#Comment_121853976

    The arrogance of them . It’s not worth it if it disrupts them for 2 years. How about all the people inconvenienced for years during the upgrade of the m50 or the m7.

    years of torture for commuters but for the better good of everyone in the end.

    they live in their own little bubble



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    #5139
    CatInABox
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    They should bear in mind that over 80 apartments at Tara St are being demolished, and that their inconvenience is extremely slight in comparison. They have indeed got the right to complain about this, but the fact of the matter is that they live in a capital city, and should expect a certain level of change. Station construction will not be 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and any blasting will be strictly controlled to certain times of the day, almost certainly hours when it's expected that most people will be out of the house at work.

    All told, having read the reports, I'd class this as "do mitigations". They don't really raise any points that have any basis, all of their points are some variation of "we don't like it because it'll cause disruption". Feel sorry for the ABP guys on this one, they had three hours assigned to them for this, must have been massively boring listening to the same thing over and over.



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    #5140
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853976#Comment_121853976

    Another resident said the MetroLink project will make his property "unsaleable" for a period of more than eight years.

    Christ almighty, it will rocket the value of your property you fool.



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    #5141
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Screenshot 2024-03-05 at 21.19.45.png

    The artist needs to be commended for their amazing work creating this "impression' 🙃

    Appreciate that it's an underground and all that, but this is about as far from visually intrusive as it gets.



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    #5142
    timmyntc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854571#Comment_121854571

    I'll happily buy it at some stage during those 8 years



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    #5143
    CoffeeImpala
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854599#Comment_121854599

    The building pictured is currently on the site and is listed. The only artist addition is the stairs.

    The station entrance is behind the building.



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    #5144
    citizen6
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    Fair play RTE for setting the context, opening the article with "Residents in one of Dublin's most affluent neighbourhoods ...".

    Nice of the resident to admit they bought the house in 2019, given that Metrolink with Charlemont station (albeit not the terminus) was announced in 2018.

    They also said they bought the house as a fixer upper. So not averse to short term pain for long term gain.



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    #5145
    CatInABox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854672#Comment_121854672

    Ah, Charlemont Station is one of the few stations with two entrances, you can see the canal side entrance to the left of the building in the impression, looks almost like an entrance to an underground car park.



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    #5146
    CoffeeImpala
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854853#Comment_121854853

    I see it there now. If it wasn't for the Carroll building it'd be a lot more visible.



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    #5147
    Consonata
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854912#Comment_121854912
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854599#Comment_121854599


    I think if it was anymore obvious a station was there you'd probably hear talk of it being a "white elephant of no use to anybody" from the Dartmouth Rd crowd. You can tell that they are all blow ins to the area given they seem to have all forgotted the Green Line being built out 8 or 9 strides from their front door.



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    #5148
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853658#Comment_121853658

    The placebo effect can be very powerful especially if the person in question craves attention.



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    #5149
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853882#Comment_121853882

    Where are these figures? I can't imagine any such document describing feet, tones and tnt because we don't live in a victorian British comic strip.



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    #5150
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853976#Comment_121853976

    The scale of entitlement is quite something almost as breath taking as other country's actual metros



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    #5151
    CatInABox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121855778#Comment_121855778

    In fairness to Coyote, he did indeed provide the figures, and even linked the official doc that they're from. I'd assume in this case that it's the metric tonne, with one tonne being 1000kg.

    You can see the post here:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853982#Comment_121853982

    They do have a point in the fact that there will be a large amount of disruption in their vicinity, but where it fails is that they are trying to say that this is "too much disruption" to inflict on one set of residents, when I would say that the vast, vast majority of people in Ireland would say that it is not actually too much disruption. The long history of large infrastructure projects in this state, with various amounts of disruption to people (CPOs, motorways next to houses with only a wooden fence erected as mitigation, etc), shows that the state, and it's citizens, are almost always ok with disruption to people in an area.



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    #5152
    bk
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    The solution is very simple, if they aren't happy CPO their houses.

    The state can rent the houses to those who are happy to take them during construction and once complete the state can sell them at a likely significant increased price, due to being next to a Metro station. It would likely even end up making money for the state.



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    #5153
    timmyntc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856237#Comment_121856237

    Anyone who has ever lived next to a new build housing estate will have suffered almost as much disruption. There isn't a hope that ABP or a judge would rescind planning permission for that kind of disruption.



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    #5154
    CatInABox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856297#Comment_121856297

    Perhaps a tad excessive, and legally won't really be possible. CPO's only work when there's a valid need for the CPO, and CPOing a building just to get around a ridiculous, selfish objection isn't really a "valid need".

    No, in this case, ABP will just almost certainly ignore their request, although they will phrase it as "applicant to consult with locals around noise" or some such.

    I had a look at the blasting strategy that Coyote linked to above. They're looking at blasting once per day, twice if something goes wrong with the first one. They've also agreed to pretty strict limits on vibrations, with charges increasing in power the deeper they go. People in the area will feel it, but it won't be causing damage to buildings.



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    #5155
    tom1ie
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    So how long does these oral hearings go on for?

    Once the hearings are finished how long until ABP grant (or god forbid refuse) an RO?

    Once we have the RO I presume construction is free to start- unless there is a judicial review yeah?



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    #5156
    bk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856339#Comment_121856339

    Most likely this will be ignored by ABP. But if those residents concerns were taken seriously by ABP and it risked that project, then CPO is the obvious solution.

    I wonder if it would be a good idea for the Government to empower ABP to order CPO's where it is felt necessary for projects of national importance. Perhaps then we would have less idiots making frivolous complaints in the planning process.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856329#Comment_121856329

    And ironically they have lived next to a building site for a number of years now, this is what this location looked like few years:

    Screenshot 2024-03-06 at 12.07.08.png
    Screenshot 2024-03-06 at 12.10.00.png




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    #5157
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856420#Comment_121856420

    JR and subsequent appeals are certainly a possibility. It also has to go through the remaining DEPR PSC hoops. And then there is tendering, contract award etc. so plenty of mileage to go. And let’s not forget the greatest intervening variable of them all, E.Ryan esq.



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    #5158
    tom1ie
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856488#Comment_121856488

    So what’s the DEPR PSC?

    How long will it take ABP to make a call on the RO and do ABP have to address every single submission that has been made on the orals so far?



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    #5159
    riddlinrussell
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    I'd be curious what you think Eamon would be doing delaying the project, given its under his purview and the Leader of any Green Party delaying possibly the biggest public transit project in the states history would constitute some impressive political suicide.



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    #5160
    CatInABox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856609#Comment_121856609

    Yes, I don't see Eamon Ryan as any kind of obstacle at all, in fact he'd only be delighted to be at the photoshoot signing contracts on this, it's be a real legacy for him and his party. Really goes to show that people and parties out of power are very different to people in power, going from crayon drawings of magical spurs to a full throated supporter of the planned line.

    Despite all the talk about how the green party are terrible, and no one is going to vote for them, I'd say that they have a great chance of being in power next time around as well. People talk about how they'll be wiped out, but I really don't see that happening, the climate issues haven't gone away, and they've been quietly effective at doing what they said they would when they went into the coalition. I'd even see Eamon Ryan as party leader too, his main opposition have both hobbled themselves over the years, whereas he hasn't, not really.



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    #5161
    Hibernicis
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121856609#Comment_121856609

    Maybe take a look at where the Glounthaune to Midleton double tracking project is at.



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