How far does an EV really go? On a cold horrible day in winter - several current EVs tested

Just to add a current example of driving in cold horrible weather- Yesterday morning I drove from Dublin across the M50 up to Sligo. Snow /sleet and a lot of water on the roads- temperature around 2/3 degrees a lot of the way. In a Born 58kWh- started at 100% with 345km on GOM. Got home with total distance travelled of 223km and had 20% battery left showing 65km on the GOM. Difficult driving conditions but still got on fine.

Absolutely. Tricky conditions on the M50 and for some of the way on the M4 with snow slush and all the water. Once I got on clearer road approx 30km out of Dublin was able to drive more normally close to speed limits. On motorway I tend to hover around 103km/hr as its fast enough for me once I can get past the lorries.

For a comparable test, drive petrol and diesel cars in the same situation and see what percentage of their WLTP range or MPG they get.

Also laughing at the notion that almost 500km range is somehow unacceptable. In Ireland.

Ridiculous response I'm afraid. Nice try with the 10-15% degradation over 15 years while failing to mention that the majority of that may well occur over a short number of years. 6 minutes in Bjorn's video below, Tesla Model 3 degradation of 8.2% after 2 or 3 years while many older and smaller battery EVs were far worse than that. if a combustion engine car lost 10% of its range, nobody would notice. With EVs, given the lack of headroom for range reduction and the other factors that affect range and the public charging network, it is an issue.

"Who keeps a car for 15 years". Bingo. We can add that to the list of things that EV owners say to try to deflect criticism. Some people absolutely keep their cars for 15 years (I'm one) And far more people should for financial and environmental reasons.

Driving until 0%, I'm not sure how strongly this correlates with breaking down but either way, it's driving too close to the edge at best and irresponsible at worst. There' a good reason why What Car? did its range tests on a private road.

"never needs its drive train serviced" - yeah well, I suppose if the motor is replaced 13 times in 1.2 million miles (on top of battery replacements) then you're not going to be doing much "servicing" of the drivetrain.

The responses are variations of the same old zealot stuff that I've been hearing for years. Maybe you guys could admit, as one EV owner did in another thread, that people buy new electric cars because they like new cars, not to save money

I think what is happening here is people are still losing sight of the fact that EVs are not a Way Of Life but tools and appliances - that even in 2024 are pretty limited for usage that a bog standard and far cheaper combustion car would take in its stride. Yes you'll save heavily on fuel costs with an EV but if the car isn't suitable for serious driving and is used for average driving or puttering about, you're saving large percentage of a small number having paid out 30, 40, 50k or more for that.

On a cold horrible day in winter i dont go far myself.

I would be absolutely delighted if my ICE car had only lost 8% of its range, power or any other measurement after 160,000km (100,000 miles).

The vast majority of modern ICE cars will have major engine failures before they get to 200,000 miles -- and many well before that particularly smaller capacity higher revving turbo engines with complex emissions systems.

No trolling here and I never claimed to be a motoring enthusiast, just made a comment that Tech bros in performance EVs aren't necessarily either. In general, car enthusiasm is more about the person than the car. Who's more of a car enthusiast, someone with a Mk1 Fiesta that they bring to classic car shows or a tech bro flooring his Model S Plaid so he can post passenger reaction videos on social media until he gets bored of that.

It's absolutely the case that a 17k Dacia Sandero is more usable for doing serious driving in Ireland, in 2024, than any EV. And is far more usable than "affordable" EVs

Driving a car, as many EV owners seem to do, for 10k kms per year, never venturing beyond the M50, celebrating that your battery has only degraded 5% in a year and trading it in after 3 years - that's not serious driving.

More correctly people buy new cars because they like new cars. Applies equally to ICE. No one's buying a 50k car (ICE or EV) to save money.

You go to the bangernomics thread and buy a 2-3k car if you want to spend the least amount of money.

If you don't want to buy an EV don't. Simple as.

Using examples of million mile EV to imply they can't do serious mileage is quite bizarre.

lol

more likely that it would be very difficult to do 1000km in a day in Ireland without doubling back on yourself. It's basically Dublin to Galway to Dublin to Galway.

I suppose you could do cork to donegal to athlone.

At least we're getting some honesty now. EVs are being bought because people like them, not because they make financial sense. New combustion cars don't necessarily make sense either but a 17k Dacia makes a whole lot more sense than a new EV costing 40, 50, 60k.

Advising someone to get a banger if they want to save money is another deflection. Bangers have their own limitations and downside that new cars don't have. The choice here isn't between new 40k EVs and 2k bangers.

The comment about the Tesla with its 13 motors - this one car provided useful info on failure rates and on Tesla. If the car did 100k miles in a year and had one replacement motor, that wouldn't say much. Bad luck, a rare failure etc. 13 failures over 1.2 million miles is a different story entirely. 13 motors, 3 battery packs and who knows what else was replaced. Triggers Broom. But but but Teslas are MUCH BETTER now, maybe they are, time will tell.