Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Please note that it is not permitted to have referral links posted in your signature. Keep these links contained in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055940817/signature-rules
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Eco-activist arsonists target Tesla factory in Berlin

Comments

  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    At least the Tesla vehicle owners are not out of pocket unlike when the kind environmentalists set fire individual parked cars.



  • #3
    RainInSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    They could have just waited for the cars to burn on their own.



  • #4
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Tesla do have somewhat of a rep for breaching environmental guidelines though...

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/02/27/musk-accused-polluting-german-rivers-tesla-gigafactory/

    https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/tesla-sued-by-california-counties-over-hazardous-waste-2024-01-31/



  • #5
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Headline might as well have read "someone starts fire and cuts power to a factory"

    Hardly a well organised network of terrorist cells, could have been one lad with a laptop and a Molotov Cocktail

    Same thing happened here a couple of years ago, somebody said it was eco terrorism, just some lads trying to steal the copper

    The fact that it's Tesla is just adding hype to what is mostly a nothing burger of news

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #6
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,318 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Ecomentalists gone mad



  • Advertisement
  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Torching Tesla cars in general is a thing now, especially in Germany, so it seems pretty organised:

    https://youtu.be/AkGaR_Yhs_E?si=UlxsBD3a9iFHLAa0

    PS. Take with a pinch of salt as the reporter in question "sometimes" cuts corners. But it seems to be a thing|graze especially in Germany. The mind boggles.



  • #8
    ColemanY2K
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853376#Comment_121853376

    basically accusing vw ....for his sake he better have the evidence to back it up.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • #9
    Sonic the Shaghog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    What I want to know is are Tesla damaging the surrounding environment like what's claimed?

    It's bad enough with the all conflicting reports out there about battery replacement prices, spontaneous fires and all that about EVs, especially the potential environmental damage involved in mining, but now a factory of the supposed flagship of the EV movement might be outed for this?

    It's not exactly doing the movement much good is it?



  • #10
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853499#Comment_121853499

    Depends on what you count as damage to the environment

    For example a bunch of forest was cleared for the factory which isn't good. But apparently the forest was slated for clearing anyway, according to Elon (who has a dubious connection to reality and the truth at the best of times)

    Also the train service to the factory runs on diesel, but Tesla have no control over that

    The main points of contention seems to be the waste water being dumped has more pollutants than their permits allow, and Tesla's plans to clear more fotest to expand the factory

    I don't think this justifies vandalism or industrial sabotage, the German equivalent of the EPA and courts are fully capable of handling it.

    Residents recently shot down the expansion and the water issue can be corrected by proper controls, oversight and some hefty fines to discourage repeat offences

    Incidentally I really don't like some outlets which have referred to this as eco terrorism. This isn't terrorism, the intent of the acts isn't to attack civilians and so it doesn't meet the definition

    This was an act of vandalism and sabotage, you can't terrorise a company

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • #11
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    The environmentalists are an absolute joke.

    They object to windmills or the electric pylons being installed which is being done to compensate for the turning off of the nuclear plants (which are CO2 free but aparantly evil) and coal/ lignite plants, but they wanted the things turned off but also dont want the replacement.

    They also managed to get a maintenance depot for electric ICE high speed trains cancelled because a few trees would need to be chopped. This is in Germany where theres FAR more forest than in the likes of Ireland so its not like its chopping down a massive percent of the nations trees or anything.

    Theres been a massive expansion of high speed trains, which is taking cars off the road, but if you cant maintain the trains you cant run more trains/ the service becomes unreliable and people will just drive more cars, but heck, a couple of 100 trees are more important than getting reliable public transport to save the planet.

    Still, the eco terrorists attacking tesla are probably far left nod the balls more than eco warriors, lads that'd be rioting on May 1st in Berlin, but its a hard differentiation to see who is an eco warrior and who is a hardcore anti- capitalist anti government loonatic.



  • Advertisement
  • #12
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853593#Comment_121853593

    Terrorism definition; the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

    By attacking critical infrastructure (and yes, the local grid is critical infrastructure) the terrorists have not only aimed to intimidate people and cause chaos, they have literally put lives at risk. I don't care what company they were attacking. The perpetrator(s) should receive a huge fine and get some serious jail time. I'd say take their property as payment, but they probably don't even own the tents they have wrapped around the trees.

    Stay Free



  • #13
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    it turns out the attacks were made by a left wing group calling themselves "Vulcan" and they reckon that Tesla treats its workers badly so must be put out of business at their Berlin site, and all tesla cars are considered targets too.

    They have been sporadically sabotaging things since mainly in the Berlin region since 2011.

    Heres a couple of articles from today, in germany but there are translators out there for those needing them

    https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2024/03/vulkangruppe-sabotage-brandanschlag-tesla-gigafactory-berlin-brandenburg-linksextremismus.html

    https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/beitrag/2024/03/brandenburg-tesla-brandanschlag-strommast.html



  • #14
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121857253#Comment_121857253

    It's a good way to potentially recruit some other wasters activists: Take away people's jobs by driving businesses on the wall.



  • #15
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853376#Comment_121853376

    That guy is a low quality algorithm feeder. He spends 10mins saying what could be said in 30 seconds.



  • #16
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853593#Comment_121853593

    The main issue leading to protests at the time the factory was at the planning stage - which is only a few year ago btw - and which continues to be a major concern is that it is located in the Brandenburg forests which are suffering from serious droughts and bad groundwater levels already. The Tesla car production requires huge amounts of water from an already stressed environment and there was also some controversy as to whether Tesla even provided realistic numbers about the expected water usage as they were well aware of the ecological issue. In the end a multi-billion Euro investment into the region was always going to win over ecological concerns and the factory was built and is now up and running AFAIK. Of course it continues to be a major thorn for local and national eco and preservation groups.



Advertisement