Referendum on Gender Equality (THREADBANS IN OP)

Despite what anyone says until it goes before the courts we don’t know. Legal experts are making educated guesses. No one can say for absolute certainty what a durable relationship be defined as.

Surely there was a better way to word it to reflect one parent family’s are just as much a family as a married couple with children.

There are many divorced people out there who are in relationships and have no intention of marrying their new partner because they might want to protect their assets for their children or just have been burned before in the divorce process. Some people mightn’t want to find themselves in a legally defined durable relationship for their own reasons.

I don’t know what they were thinking with this tbh.

I was just thinking I found this thread very helpful for deciding how I will vote. Made me research and had plenty of food for thought.

If someone does not seem very objective in their argument either yes or no. It shows. I only pay attention to those that put reasoned arguments then think about them.

Constitutional law is based on a hierarchy of rights which is ultimately decided by the courts when they conflict. I think it is up to each individual to think of scenarios past/present or future that the proposed referendum would/could change. Succession rights, rights within the family (durable relationship v marriage) etc. Then decide if that is what they want.

Nowhere then, great.

When for example we voted on marriage equality or to repeal the 8th it seemed pretty straightforward what the outcome would be so for me it was an easy yes. I filtered out all the crazy arguments calling for a No vote.

People have no say in legislation that gets passed, but they do have a say on changes to the constitution. So yes many voters do expect some level of clarity on what the outcome of any change to the constitution will entail.

Exactly.

Marriage equality referendum = Gay people can marry.

Divorce referendum = people can get divorced and remarry.

Abolish the Seanad referendum = the Seanad is abolished.

People have a good idea what's going to happen.

Family referendum = We're going to add durable relationship to the constitution. What's that? That's for the courts to decide. Run along now and Vote Yes

Genuine question here, maybe it's been asked and answered already, but as regards how the constitution is currently written:

"The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home."

What is the state doing right now to implement this? Based on the wording you'd think there was some kind of 'Mothers-stay-at-home-allowance', but as far as I can see there's **** all. What does a Yes vote change here other than literally just the words?

Nonsense, people have the right to ask about all the ramifications of a yes/no vote even if it includes questions about immigration,this new wording is going in the constitution and we will have to live with it for a long time, tbf your name calling reflects badly on you, you usually make good contributions.

They're just throwing a tantrum because some people have dared to have an opinion that differs from their own. You see it all the time on here.

In my view the anti-immigrant argument as the main reason to vote no is not helpful. Why not focus on EU residency questions and EU case law therein vis a vis “durable relationships” instead?

Hyperbole does no one any favours, as it moves away from reasoned argument.

There are much more nuanced arguments about the upcoming referendum besides “immigrants” IMO.

To be honest I think the referendum is partly due to the professional classes of women wanting to alleviate guilt.

Those who chose to work not out of economic necessity and have their child reared by private institutions, while on occasion miss important childhood events due to work priorities.

For those women the word “neglect” cuts at the craw. They feel guilty.

As for your question about what the government are doing about it. I think the government would prefer women to work regardless of “economic necessity”

It was pointed out to me by my mother when the “marriage ban” lifted in the 70’s allowing married women to work it helped improve the economy.

It does make me think that the mother who does stay at home, mind the kids is going to be viewed as somehow lesser than the professional classes of women.

More often than not that “stay at home mother” these days is going to be from a poorer socio economic background. It would not be worth their while to work.

As due to the level of education they would struggle for employment that would pay for childcare costs.

Have they explained why they are voting yes and do you comprehend their reasoning?

I see the Gay Community News paper has switched their loyalties from Yes Yes to Yes No.

No in the care referendum.

It seems to confirm it didn't really have a clue what the referendum was about and just said Yes because everyone else was.

This referendum is demonstrating utter stupidity of these organisations.