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March 8th - What’s your vote? **Mod Note In Post #677**

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    #512
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,259 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Abstaining

    There's a bang of covid "substantial meal" off "durable relationship"



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    #513
    Toodles_27
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭Toodles_27


    Voting NO for both

    I was utterly confused and considered for the 1st time in my life not utilising my vote.

    However, having listened, read and studied the language of the proposals, I have to say I am still utterly confused. The only thing I can say is that the language used is ambiguous and appears designed to cause confusion. In that sense and the fact that I do not trust this government, I will be voting No.

    Is there a chance that they'll use the confusing language to do a re-run of these referendums like the did with the Lisbon Treaty when they didn't get the result the wanted from the 1st vote?



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    #514
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Voting NO for both

    We're literally running a referendum for bigamists tomorrow. What a country.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bigamy+at+christmas



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    #515
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    What way does polling suggest the vote will go?



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    #516
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Voting YES for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859850#Comment_121859850

    No we're not. Bigamy is illegal. Bigamy will continue to be illegal.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #517
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Voting YES for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859854#Comment_121859854

    Polling suggests they could go either way buy that there is huge confusion. I think it will be a Yes to Family and No to Care.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/referendums/poll-uncertainty-among-voters-could-lead-to-a-referendum-surprise-yet/a2059114672.html


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #518
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859865#Comment_121859865

    until someone successfully challenges the law in the supreme court on the basis of asserting their durable relationships



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    #519
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859865#Comment_121859865

    Bigamy is illegal but durable relationships will be up to the courts?

    Gimme a break! What a farce.



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    #520
    Montage of Feck
    Registered Users Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Voting NO for both

    I think we can add "strive" to the official list of weasel words.

    🙈🙉🙊



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    #521
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,117 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Voting NO for both

    Was surprised to see the poll results, thought I was in the minority (know its only a small selection in here) for No/No. Voting no in carers as read so many stories of carers asking for a no vote, seems so dodgy and that the state want to leave them high and dry and 'strive' to help. The family one I was leaning to yes, but the more I looked into it the vaguer it seemed, so erring on side of caution to let them tie it down a bit better. Also pain in my hoop with them saying its for women on International Womens day, as a woman who works its made a mess for me tomorrow to sort as kids school is a polling station so closed.



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    #522
    KevMayo88
    Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859940#Comment_121859940

    Varadkar wrongly suggested that the care referendum will compel the government to grant greater supports to carers. So what has stopped them until now? Would supporting carers have until now been unconstitutional? If the care amendment is passed, will we see a myriad of new financial and institutional supports suddenly intorduced to support the important work of carers on Saturday? Will we bollocks.



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    #523
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,391 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Voting NO for both

    Voting no for both.


    After Mcentees performance last night I don’t trust any of these gombeens.


    She is the worst minister for justice, how did she get get that brief?


    What a waste of time and money this has been, trying to distract from the shambles they are doing with everything else.



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    #524
    I says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭I says


    Voting NO for both

    Why hasn’t that spoofer O Gorman made any public appearances on tv? I’ll tell ya why he’d be found out for the lying toad that he is. The minister in charge of this referendum being kept off the airwaves tells you all you need to know about this Sh1t show. Threatening NGOs at the start of the campaign regarding funding if they don’t push for a yes vote. Trojan horse is what these proposals are.



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    #525
    KevMayo88
    Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860051#Comment_121860051

    Honest question to everyone: Has Roderic O'Gorman participated in a single broadcast debate on either referendum?



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    #526
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Am I missing something in the difference between "the State should endeavour to ensure" and "shall strive to support"? People saying that the state might wash their hands of care support but how is it any different to the current wording where they're not obliged either?



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    #527
    Photobox
    Registered Users Posts: 877 ✭✭✭Photobox


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860073#Comment_121860073

    I dont think I have ever heard Roderic O Gorman speak about anything full stop. Its always carefully arranged photo opportunities. Nothing else.



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    #528
    I says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭I says


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860087#Comment_121860087

    Why change the wording then. Unless you’re changing everything. Endeavour to ensure looks a lot more certain than strive to support does to me.



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    #529
    dulpit
    Registered Users Posts: 10,889 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Voting YES for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860103#Comment_121860103

    Current wording refers to the woman's place in the home. Updated wording will remove that and refer to care instead. It's stupid to me that they did it this way (I'd have preferred remove and then a more detailed care clause in future, but here we are)



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    #530
    KevMayo88
    Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860097#Comment_121860097

    If the referendums are defeated on Saturday, I hope there will be pressure on O'Gormon to step down. He was the chief architect of all of this nonsense and bizarrely went into hiding during the campaign. Whether you support the amendments or not, I think it was his duty to advoate to the public why the amendments should be passed- it's astonishing he could 'dissapear' like he has.



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    #531
    Photobox
    Registered Users Posts: 877 ✭✭✭Photobox


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860117#Comment_121860117

    100%



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    #532
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,391 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860117#Comment_121860117

    He should have resigned last week when the revelations about kids going missing in Tusla broke.


    All hush hush about such a serious incident.



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    #533
    Peter Flynt
    Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860117#Comment_121860117

    Politicians rarely resign in Ireland. In fact the more useless they are the more they're protected. Varadkar & O'Gorman are living proof of that.



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    #534
    I says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭I says


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860110#Comment_121860110

    The chair of the electoral commission has already told Catherine Martin and the rest it does not say that.

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    #535
    KevMayo88
    Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860157#Comment_121860157

    I agree- I realistically think there is zero chance of O'Gorman falling on his sword in the event of a decisive No/No vote. It's probably more likely he will come out fighting and blame the result as a "far-right" conspiracy, or the result of "online misinformation".



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    #536
    well24
    Registered Users Posts: 419 ✭✭well24


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860161#Comment_121860161

    Not 1 of the yes voters will respond to that lol



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    #537
    I says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭I says


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860184#Comment_121860184

    There is none so blind as those that do not want to see.



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    #538
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860103#Comment_121860103

    It's a bit of a semantics really, as they're largely synonyms. I'd have thought strive involved more effort (which seems to be the intention behind the wording).

    They probably should have left it as "endeavour" to avoid people trying to distinguish the miniscule interpretation of the word and leaving more doubt.


    As to durable relationships - that's the sort of wording that can't be locked down in a constitution itself handily I think (as it can morph) but certainly should have been nailed down more by accompanying legal clarity.

    They don't have to implement the referendum change immediately either so there's a missed chance for them to say that it won't be enacted until there's accompanying legislation.



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    #539
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Voting NO for both

    Minister for Social Protection allowed to waffle at length on RTE radio this morning, dismissing any concerns about the meaning of durable relationships and if I heard correctly rehashed the trope that the current constitution has women working at home etc. She was challenged in a rather half hearted way by the host, no debate.



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    #540
    dulpit
    Registered Users Posts: 10,889 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Voting YES for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860161#Comment_121860161

    It literally refers to a woman's place in the home...

    2     1° In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.

    2° The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

    I'm not saying that it obliges a woman to stay at home, but there is a direct reference to a woman's life being in the home. That's antiquated and sexist language.



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    #541
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860179#Comment_121860179

    OGorman will be debating Peader tobin on 1 o'clock news on rte radio 1



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