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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Technically that's still advancing forward.

    Russia tend to loose massive amounts of armor when they advance after taking a town or village. Let's hope it holds true again!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    There's a not outrageous suggestion that this war, truly the first "viral" social media one, is making us incredibly desensitised to violence - if we weren't already thanks to fictional media. I don't find that video funny, but disturbing that I just WATCHED MEN DIE, and be thrown in the air like ragdolls and felt only intellectual disgurst rather than an emotive, visceral one. I can't glory in the deaths of Russians as much as I might hate their presence there.

    Might be something to think about for some.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    No it's not. Putin didn't invent modern warfare, he didn't invent social media and I think it's worth considering the way we're digesting this war where we casually watch peoples' death in the same manner like it was a funny cat video. I can't disassociate as much or as easily as others.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Sorry you feel that way about Russian soldiers who kill rape and maim innocent people.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Reports of an Irish lad killed.

    RIP

    seen a lot of foreign fighters as casualties on news feeds lately.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    In the context of Ukraine, not a lot, it will be 3 years in to the war before Trump gets in again.


    The outcome either way is being determined now, not in the 4th year of the conflict.


    How about Joe and Europe commit to a Ukrainian victory, act accordingly.


    Naw. I can't see it happening either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,548 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    I feel nothing when I watch these videos.

    Back when things like the videos of Saddam's execution and others were going viral, i refused to watch. I'll happily watch gory, from pimples being popped right up to jarsquatter, but always would have drawn the line at videos showing people actually dying. When there was an appeal to stop people sharing WhatsApp images of a fatal M50 accident a few years back, I was an AH mod and was as quick to throw the banhammer as I could be.

    But when it comes to russians being blown up, all I can think is "fck em" and I'm not sure why. It could be because of knowing what happened in Bucha that the alternative to the occupants being blown up like above could be far, far worse for the innocent locals. There was a photo of the aftermath of a civilian car having being fired on and it partly showed a young child, lying in the dirt and wearing a snow suit similar to what my youngest had that really hit close to home. Either way, fck the invaders and I'll sleep well knowing they're regularly being blown up in this manner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Yes, but these young men are serving as flying meatballs because of murderous delusions of a few old men (maybe even just one) who are high on money and power. Same story as usual.

    Anyway, here’s an article toward their rememberance:

    https://en.zona.media/article/2024/03/06/transporter



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭rogber


    You realise even when advancing armies lose equipment and personell? And the Russians more than most. It doesn't make the BBC liars or agents of Russian propaganda, which will probably be your next line....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The days of America paying for Europes defense and security are over, Europeans refuse to do so but Americas attention is now on Asia and it doesn't matter who wins in November in that regard.


    The reality is that a Russian invasion of the baltics will meet strong local resistance, resistance from Poland and others in Eastern Europe, little from Western Europe. Germany doesn't really have a functioning army anymore, the Dutch and French want normality. I can't see Starmer introducing conscription to fight Russia in the Balkans.


    But Trump... is just a panic attack option for Europe because it won't pay for its security, won't secure the neighbourhood, won't defend itself.


    America shouldn't even have to send a single bullet to Ukraine, European States should have so much backed up in aid that there isn't room for it.


    Ukraine are lucky Russia and its army are so badly run.

    Putin is lucky that most of Europe is led by people who don't want to defend themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭rogber


    You really take weird sadistic pleasure in watching humans be killed and suffering, don't you? Over and again you either post or describe such scenes. Pretty disturbing, and this is only what you publicly post....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Excellent post. It's been raised before, but always quickly drowned out by mob rule strawman arguments. Not bothered discussing it anymore on here to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Pity Joe Biden didn't win the Presidency in 2020.


    The US president can release weapons by his own order under the excess articles act. Has that right since the 60s.


    He doesn't need congressional approval and the amount he has at his disposal, under the terms of that act, would arm Western Europe and Ukraine for countless years.


    It has been years of we'll give you planes next year and shells in years to come.


    The outcome of the war will be settled this year and the current US and European preferences is ceasefire and new status quo on the ground.


    That was obvious early last year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What nonsense is this? I put forward a small bit of discomfort about watching people die on social media and you trot out strawmen hostility. Check yourself a little. If you can't admit it's more than a little perverse that we're here watching men die like it's nothing, no worse - like it's funny -, regardless of what they did, there's something to address in yourself as well.

    This isn't normal. It shouldn't be normal. You don't need to trot out some "look at you feeling sorry for rapists" garbage logic if you're not willing to countenance the ugliness we're communally indulging in here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,510 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    America shouldn't have needed but they did because a) an ally was invaded by a mobster and b) they have an agreement with Ukraine to help



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    No one said it’s funny.

    Some just don’t feel the way you do about it.

    Accept that and we all move on.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well no. The original post literally contained a lauging pun about Russian's "advance". So you can stop that too.

    You even thanked this joking post, so presumably you find it amusing when posts are themselves joking about it.

    I'm not going to move on 'cos you decided to get needlessly aggressive about a small aside to consider our perceptions as observers of this war. If you're gonna make shítty comments then yeah I'm gonna challenge you on it. In fact if you're being blunt and bullish at all, I'd wonder if you know this but won't admit that it's fúcked up.

    Cos guess what: it's fúcked up to watch social media videos of people dying. I'd like to follow the events of this war wihtout having the death of it shared like they're amusing anecdotes - and it speaks to how the nature of this war's media has changed that these videos even exist. Again, that's a bizarre thing to consider against how wars have been reported down the years.

    If you want this thread just to be some 2 minute hate and watch Russians die? Then the justification is yours, not mine for challening that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Im with pixelburp in trying not to like such videos, but this one is pretty hard not to.

    I mean if nothing else, in terms of clarity and visual impact....if there is a best war clip...just hypothetically, it would be an all timer.

    Bad.

    Its very bad. Its definitely not funny. Shame on me.

    He could be alright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,848 ✭✭✭✭josip


    At least the lads in that video had a quick end instead of being cooked to death in a T-72. Are we being desensitized by more accurate graphic depiction of what war is really like? Graphically, we see much worse in war movies. So are we supposed to be repulsed by a less graphic twitter video because real people are dying? As another poster has pointed out, it's difficult to have much sympathy or empathy for the Russians dying when you see what they're capable of in Bucha and other places. I think everyone can react to those videos in their own natural way and they shouldn't be criticized for that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ok don’t move on, whatever.


    I really don’t care you’re outraged some people don’t think the same as you.


    I’ve moved on from the video, that’s it really. Back to work.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm not outraged 🙄 again you're trying to rephrase or reposition the things I'm actually saying.

    You refuse to even discuss the idea that there's a weird perversion in how this war has changed how we - the bystanders who by your own words, are sitting in work - view the whole thing. We can litearlly watch the battles take place, the men die in real-time video, as you check your work emails. Does that not at least make you think?

    It's one thing to despair at the aftermath of innocent victims of war lying dead in sober news reports - quite another share videos of the moment of death during an ugly war like it's something amusing or trivial. We are the voyeurs, sex and violence is part of human nature but we often stop short at watching the moment of death, the killing itself.

    Stop being bullish, or putting words in my mouth. The only person being aggressive or coming close to "outraged" is you with your hostility. I'm just saddened and a bit perturbed that we accept death this easily, watch it with glee and think it funny 'cos it's the bad guy.

    Do you support capital punishment, out of curiosity? Would you support the national broadcast of executions? Not trying to get a rise but you could at least meet me halfway instead of getting antagonistic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,434 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And not only that, if China attacks Taiwan (as is looking more and more likely) then unless the US does a runner on its agreement to help Taiwan defend itself against China, you will have Russians killing Americans because Russia will side with China against their common enemy. But neither will that be anything new, Russia has been attacking the US (and EU, UK) for years now, and killing or attempting to kill US service men worldwide either directly or indirectly. A weakened or destroyed Russian military is of benefit to everyone, but especially the US. If they don't support Ukraine now, they will face them in the future, but at far greater costs in terms of money and lives.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Field east


    One of the BIG unknowns is as follows .if Russia begins attacking another country - and especially a NATO - it may also have to defend itself against ‘opposition outbreaks’ from within Russia, Moldova mobilising to secure Transista , Georgia initiates the retrieval of its bit taken by Russia , etc etc. Now or over the next two or three years would be the best time for all this to ‘take off ‘ while Russia is militarily WEAK



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,280 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Graphically, we see much worse in war movies. 

    But the critical difference here, we know on both a conscious and subconscious level that the violence in movies isn't real. Heads explode, limbs go flying but we know it's not the actors' head exploding; whatever brain chemistry it is that makes us get that sense of vicarious shock or thrill from horror or war movies doesn't seem to get triggered when it's done to a real human. One of my favourite movies is The Thing, a gloriously gory film where the human body is contorted and mutated in variously disgusting ways - but I can reconcile the violence as it's a fiction.

    By way of similar example: do we get excited to watch JFK's head burst like a melon when watching the Zapruder film? No, we don't, of course, because we know that was a real man getting shot in the head - or at least, most of us don't get that thrill. But then that leads to your next point ...

    As another poster has pointed out, it's difficult to have much sympathy or empathy for the Russians dying when you see what they're capable of in Bucha and other places.

    ... therein lies the other question worth consdering: would you be OK watching a TV broadcast of an execution? If it were a murderer, rapist or someone whose crime was suitably repugnant in the eyes of our social & moral norms? Cos it kinda reads like the same thing here: we are ok to watch the moment of death if we just dissociate the individual as an entity to be disliked. Maybe the guy we watched die was one of those Indians we read about, conned & press-ganged into service. It's not a simple scenario. I don't think we should be OK with this.

    I think everyone can react to those videos in their own natural way and they shouldn't be criticized for that.

    And as I've said a number of times, I'm not criticising and its reductive and dismissive to do so. I'm tryying to understand and ask people to consider that maybe, this is all a bit fúcked up and not necessarily normal to watch people die and shrug ones shoulders.

    It's ok to admit it's fúcked up, but throwing a fit and getting antagonistic or misrepresenting others is indeed more criticism than the segue I started.



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