Referendum on Gender Equality (THREADBANS IN OP)

Desperation.

Attorney General's advice to minister leaked ahead of referendums https://jrnl.ie/6320276

Look McDowell is a very intelligent experienced barrister who knows the law and actually has some good old fashioned common sense.

I wouldn't be surprised if McEntee can't actually spell the word law.

It is unbelievable how she was preferred for the job over Jim O'Callaghan.

fianna failers should remember that little nugget.

It would be like Ireland selecting the kit man over any of the squad to line out against England.

He can start with the misinformation that Catherine Martin has been spouting.

Swing to 5/6 from evens for a NO vote on family and NO in care referendum also getting more money.

Momentum only going one way.

No idea how reliable betting odds are traditionally in Irish referendums.

I have highlighted on another thread all the huge public sector/public services fook ups despite all our supposed economic largesse we are being told we have.

The true results of the current fookups will not of course be felt for years in social terms, but will be sharply felt in economic terms come the next major recession.

A reckoning that will make the last downturn look mild when it comes to cutting the public expenditure that has been created.

Of course those obviously shilling for the political parties are quick to tell us how great things are, how we are all moaners and ranters, how one would swear that nothing works in the country.

You can even see the shillers and the politicos discussing which ones of their parties will probably win seats come the next election because at the moment they are confident that there is no political party out there not singing from nearly the same hymn sheet.

The shinners have effectively abandoned a lot of their traditional core working class, non working voters in an effort to become the wokeist of the lot.

But the locals and Europeans will hopefully be the kick up the ar** they deserve.

I keep telling young people who claim whats the point that they have to vote if they want any future.

And to vote independent, something like Farmers Alliance, Independent Ireland anyone bar the main parties in the Dail.

Anyone else see Eamonn Ryan outside Pearse station giving out leaflets??

In any other country this would feature on the main news the night before the vote. In this country, it is banned by law.

You mean you give up trying to dig yourself into a deeper hole. You still haven't outlined why no one has yet taken a Constitutional challenge about the level of support that's guaranteed by the government not being good enough either.

When did i say they were strive to provide support outside the family? This what I posted earlier today.

I know, hence the reason i never said they did. As I said, the government will have a legal obligation to make some attempt to provide care for families who have a member who is disabled. That doesn't exist under the current Constitution.

The current Constitution and the proposed amendment provide no mention of the State providing any level of assistance to people with a disability outside the family.

Because this is what you said.

You've already ruled out any possible change because a government minister has said so. But the Court could very easily disagree with Norma Foley and the Government's decision on that. Also, given you said this early

It's great to see you've changed your turn and you now feel you can accurately predict the outcome of a Supreme Court Case!

What financial support do the government provide to married women who dont have children and dont want to work?

I really wouldn't go betting that bottom dollar on that. Here's what the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission had to say in their policy statement in 2018 on Article 41.2

Here previous working that has been done in the area of amending the article

There was also another report with more recommendations in 2006. I'd say there's almost no one who works in the areas of care, equality, disability or Constitutional law who doesn't know alot about it.

I assume it is dependent on them having a child though at least? Would be very interested to see where in case law they haven't said this isn't necessary.

Parental being the operative word. Someone doesn't have parental duties towards their parents(or siblings), they have caring duties. As you say, it only extends to family who live in the family home. The prosed amendment goes beyond that.

The government is fuckeed now this has been released. No wonder they have been saying The Fooking Ditch over the past couple of years.

This will probably sway more to the No No camp.

If it is a big defeat on Saturday, the first question is who decided to hold this referendum and who is going to lose their job?

Why was the AG's advice /opinion not made public before now? surely all information should be made available to the voters.Something stinks here.

I dont care what spin Sen.O'reilly puts on the AG's opinion in the journal, this was bad news for the yes side, if either of the amendments is carried, could the result be challenged? this is a major fook up from the government especially the Greens.

Ps, Also have to ask what the Electoral Commission was doing,surely they should have made AG's advice public, they dont appear impartial to me.

If the referendum is carried the No side will likely challenge it due to publicly funded NGO's campaigning for yes. The NGO's say their referendum campaigns are completely financially segregated from their publicly funded work however.

The witholding of the AG advice is nothing short of a scandal - to me anyway and I'm sure many others. I am so glad I stuck to my guns from day one when I intended voting No No on the basis that the wording was alphabet soup and designed to hoodwink and gaslight. I have no doubt there is a hidden agenda but I confess to not knowing what it is! Suspicious mind....

Now I know this is going to sound like self praise, I don't mean to do that, but back on 22 Feb I posted this on the thread -

"Strive to" should have been removed from the proposed wording, leaving a simple "Shall". Thus putting the onus on the Government to absolutely support the provision of care. They have used the word "Strive", which is wishy washy and holds nothing over the Government regarding its obligations.

But no surprises there. That is annoying me intensely, apart from all the other BS about "durable", which in itself is beyond definition it seems.

Who says NGOs can't advocate for a Yes? Does that mean if the result is no the result will be challenged due to NGOs advocating fotlr a No vote?