Garda facing disciplinary hearing for helping elderly man

I absolutely hate bullshit recruitment campaigns of that ilk

I can imagine the various assorted twatlingers desperately clamouring to have their views and opinions on the aesthetic, core message etc heard in case anyone would think they were completely useless.

I also think anyone in their sane senses wouldnt be encouraged to join if thats something that even gets mentioned in the ad....

Its an immediate disincentive if youve got a brain....one immediately thinks so if the work matters so much and is so important (as you say) why are you paying so **** unless i do mad overtime and unsocial hours and mentioning coffee at 4am etc etc ...maybe you should consider recruiting enough to police properly, having consequences for scumbags and the possibility of decent pay for decent hours (im aware unsocial, overtime and shift would have to happen but a balance)

The fact they even need an under the tree at spar campaign tells me all I need to know about what the job is probably like.

Its like the recruitment campaigns for teachers etc .... they should start with...weve made a **** of it lads, people that previously would have been prospects are voting with their feet, but never fear weve spent millions on a campaign to try and paper over the cracks so we can continue with the current ballcocks of a situation....

There definitely needs to be a hard look at the procedures in these invedtigations.

Three years to come to a conclusion in such a seemingly minor case is indefensible.

However as I said earlier in the thread political interference in specific disciplinary cases is not the way forward.

Not advocating political interference in an investigation - but procedures need to be updated for this type of incidence as it impacts all Gardai - fine if it’s a drugs investigation, Garda caught rapid storing drugs or whatever - then there’s many avenues to explore and that takes time- but this incident is just ridiculous

Over 3 years for the criminal investigation.

Someone is going to have to explain that one, was it sent to the DPP and lost behind a filing cabinet or something?

Averages are bollox. This is from an article in Aug 23

At present, when recruits join the Garda they are paid an allowance of €184 per week for 33 weeks before moving onto a starting salary of €34,572. The salary then increases incrementally over the next eight years to €53,000.

Clearly the money isn't good enough or there wouldn't be a recruitment crisis currently. I know people working in dead end factory jobs making more

So it took the guards 3 years to investigate the lack of a filled in form?

Same oukd cxxx.. Conflate the highest paid with the rest plus antisocial hours and overtime and think thats a gotcha!

Its not, its just nonsense. If you want a real average you have to work a bit harder and have more than LC pass maths at your disposal.

Just more anti Public Servants fakery.

So why repeat it?

I'll simplify it. 4 people work at a company,

2 earn 35k

1 earn 60k

1 earn 120k

Headline figure is average earnings at X company is 62k, when reality is 75% of the employees dont make that figure.

CSO pedal the same shite and it just highlights the gap in earnings, not a real world figure.

Garda earns 80k working 60 hours, IT worker works 38 hrs earns 70k. Who's doing better?

I can assure you your average Garda on the beat isn't earning 80k, it's closer to half that.

Fully agree except rural policiing is no cushy number these days either.

Imagine being called out to a house in the middle of nowhere where a guy is holed up with his wife and a gun, except you don't know about the gun or his IRA murder convictions, 999 just told you it was a 'domestic', nearest backup is at least an hour away and you have to go in there alone and unarmed. That did happen and the garda was murdered.

Or you and your partner are surrounded by drunken thugs baying for your blood outside a chipper at 3am in a small town somewhere and again any backup at least an hour away - and they know it.

Great job.

Luckily this is Ireland. Any employee should be paid during the course of a disciplinary hearing, during which they havent been found innocent or guilty of breaching proceedures.

You doubt it, ok. It wasn't just any pilot, it was the chief pilot, who could make or break a new pilot's career, and schedule himself to fly alongside his targets:

I'm fukkin' sick of people holding Ryanair up as some sort of paragon, it's not, it's a very grubby business and (not un-coincidentally) a very profitable one. Here's an example of how great their HR procedures are:

As to why this Garda process took three years, I've no idea and nobody not involved does either. Everyone agrees it should have been a fraction of that.

You're all over the place here.

Your interpretation of "low qualifications" is all over the shop, basically anyone can be a Garda. You don't need a degree or any sort of qualification above the leaving cert. This is what they were talking about when they say low qualifications. Being willing to go out on the beat and deal with the dregs of society is not a qualification in any sense of the word, never mind a low one.

It also doesn't mean it's an 'easy gig', plus, the poster you're replying to never claimed it was an easy gig. Well paid job for life with loads of extras, yes........an easy job to do, though? They never claimed as much.

I grew up in Dublin's North Inner City and the Gardaí I met as a youngster, to a man, instilled in us nothing but contempt and hostility towards the uniform. I've a million and one examples of the prejudice, malice, thuggery, ignorance, apathy and outright criminality of the Guards in Fitzgibbon Street station over the years. Come back when you see them battering 14 year olds, or stealing their belongings, or destroying their property on a daily basis and we'll see how quick you are to call them brave men.

Even as an adult, they were at it still. I've family still in the area and when visiting one day around 2009/10 I went to the local shop for my nanny. I bumped into an elderly neighbour on the way who was going to the off-licence on the NCR. She was worried she might not make it before the 10pm curfew, so I said I'd go for her. Hit the offo, bottle of Hennessy for her and a few beers for myself while I'm there, then to the shop for my nanny. Bumped into an old schoolmate having a smoke outside the pub on the way back and stop to chat.

Squad car suddenly pulls up onto the path and 2 boyos jump out, start asking if we're selling drugs, up to no good etc. Then one starts asking why I'm drinking cans in public (I wasn't). They end up confiscating the cans and the brandy off me under the Public Order Act, and tell me to claim it back from the station. He's reluctant to give me his name until I call out the number on his shoulder and say I'll just ask for him by that instead.

It's now after 10 so I can't even go get more. I go and collect the elderly neighbour, bring her up the station to explain the matter. When I ask the lad on the desk can I speak to officer J47 or whatever his number was, he calls back to see if he's around. Someone else shouts back "he finished at 10 remember?.......they're all going to that gig in town later". Says we'll have to call back another time. Three separate visits later before he'll come speak to me, and surprise surprise, the confiscated drink cannot be located anywhere. All further complaints are waved away.

Brave men indeed. I can pretty much guarantee you that he missed the offo himself and decided he'd fabricate a scenario where he'd take mine instead. There's not a man alive who can convince me otherwise.

Not every one is like that, before you try to misinterpret my words. But there's enough of them who are and a big enough second cohort who turn a blind eye to that sh1t to taint the entire pool in many people's eyes.