Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

People who dont want civilians to die and want the hostages released are not necessarily leftists. Do you just lazily paint anyone not agreeing with you as Leftists?

Are you not thousands of miles away from this conflict too?

I want aid to get to them , and Egypt should be criticized for their actions but what matters to Palestinians also is not to be killed indiscriminately.

LEFTISTS! IT'S ALL THE THE LEFTISTS FAULT! EVEN WHEN THE ISRAELIS ARE BOMBING EVERYTHING IN SIGHT I KNEW IT WAS DOZE LEFTISTS!

How is it that you don't know the meaning of the words "far left ideologies"?

Oh the likes of Hamas would care along with the Israeli right. You might not want to acknowledge it , but the irony is both need each other to justify the existence and policies of the other. Which is why the likes of Bibi is on record as stating we need to prop up Hamas to stifle the PA to thwart a two state solution. You maybe correct that some outside actors would still seek to harm Israel, but they would have far less support to draw on if Israel didn't do things as alluded to by another poster that defy and aggravate even their closest alies. Conflicts don't happen in a vacuum, but you seem keen on not acknowledging that, as it would might mean holding both sides to account.

Nothing in your wishlist for the elimination of hamas ?

As long as hamas and others exist and a significant portion of Palestinians support them either directly or indirectly , there will never be peace.

I want Hamas eliminated but not at the cost of 50k civilians as that will just result in the next Hamas being created.

The Palestinians will only continue to support entities like Hamas as long as they are allowed to live in squalor and are treated badly by the Israeli state. You just have to look what is happening in the West Bank to understand that many Hamas's will be created in the future as long as the situation doesnt change in Israel/Palestine.

Lots of people are quoting the Palestinian casualty numbers, but those come from Hamas, who would naturally want to inflate women and children deaths.

Who knows what the real number of dead is, but based on the above the Hamas claims make no sense.

Historically they have been accurate. The US believe the figures are so high it warrants an immediate ceasefire, the figures are so high the ICJ is investigating a claim of genocide against Israel.

Even Israel has mentioned them in the context of saying 1 in 3 deaths are Hamas and also they have killed 10k Hamas fighters.

So either the figures are broadly accurate or everybody is lying including Israel.

The whole world have accepted the extremely high death toll of innocent lives, apart from you? Now that doesn't make sense.

chances are that the number is actually higher then claimed, as we don't know how many people are buried under rubble.

remember whatever about hamas, israel are a proven lier on absolutely everything, so cannot be trusted either under any circumstance.

Too many people to reply to above.

The only source for the number of Palestinian dead is from Hamas, the side who are fighting Israel. They are claiming that 70% of the 30,000 dead are women and children. Presumably the other 30% are men. Given that there are only 40k Hamas fighters (Gaza population is 2.2M), most of the men who are dying you'd expect to be non-combatants. The Hamas numbers suggest that only a tiny number of that 30k dead are fighters, maybe 1,000 or so.

What are the conclusions? Are the Israeli's sparing the Hamas fighters and targeting their women and children instead? Are the Hamas fighters hiding and letting the women and children be used as human shields?

The Hamas claims don't make sense.

Two huge differences between Mariupol and Gaza:

1) Russia started that war and is thus responsible for its consequences, and Hamas started the war on the 7th of October.

2) The problem in Mariupol was that the city was surrounded in full by Russians, at the time the theatre was bombed cities like Kyiv and Lviv were relatively safe and AFAIK borders with other countries (e.g. Moldova, Romania, Poland etc) were open to Ukrainians at that point. By contrast, Israel is not stopping anyone from leaving the Gaza strip to go to Egypt for example. But whereas EU countries opened their borders to Ukrainians, Arab countries are doing SFA for Palestinians.