Referendum on Gender Equality (THREADBANS IN OP)

Trying to set up an exit poll using my phone. Will it automatically set it as multiple choice? I haven’t clicked save yet…

Help!!!

The word must will never be used in terms of providing care though.

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The Irish is the correct text. The Constitution, technically, is translated into English from the Irish version.

Afaik, teaghlach means family yet the english text says home.

 1° Go sonrach, admhaíonn an Stát go dtugann an bhean don Stát, trína saol sa teaghlach, cúnamh nach bhféadfaí leas an phobail a ghnóthú dá éagmais.

2° Uime sin, féachfaidh an Stát lena chur in áirithe nach mbeidh ar mháithreacha clainne, de dheasca uireasa, dul le saothar agus faillí a thabhairt dá chionn sin ina ndualgais sa teaghlach.

  1° In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.

2° The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

Does that mean all the ri-ra about 'women in the home' is because of a bad translation?

The Constitution itself says the Irish language version takes precedence over the English text. The Supreme Court often discusses the Irish language version but I don't know if any major decision has turned on a difference between the two versions.

I posted here previously to say the debate about the meaning of "durable relationships" should really be about the meaning of "ar chóngais bhuanfasacha eile" which is what the Supreme Court would focus on if the amendment is passed. The Electoral Commission was embarrassed because its first version of the Irish text was wrong.

In ordinary speech, "caidreamh" is used when speaking about personal relationships so I wonder why cóngas was chosen? Does it, for example, imply an intimate relationship or is it in anyway more restrictive than "relationships" which is an all-encompassing word (as Rodrick wanted). The good news? buanfasach does mean durable. The bad news for Minister Butler - it does not mean "permanent" or "stable" (but you knew that already).

Go to the courts service website, and search for the words durable relationship in the judgements. I did and found 78 judgements they all seem to relate to immigration law and are people suing the minister for justice because they have been denied asylum etc.

Durable relationships haven't been referenced in inheritance, pensions or tax law yet. But if this passes you can be sure it will.

Thanks for the information - it's times like this that I regret my poor knowledge of our first language.

4/6 with Boyles now for a No/No.

Or how long constitutes a "durable relationship" ?????????

Agree and then I found it even more confusing after I read that the care articles in the Irish text don't say 'home' in either part, but actually says 'family'. 😳 The 'home' is how it was translated back in the day.

No idea what legal difference it makes but a womans 'life within the family' sounds more acceptable to me than a 'womans life within the home'.

Voted No to both. I broadly agree with the intent of both proposals but the government once again has been duplicitous in it's treatment of the electorate and did not deal in good faith with this.

If the wording for the care referendum was as was originally proposed by the citizens assembly it would have passed easily. I would love to know what goes through the heads of those that frame these amendments?

Both my wife and I voted the same and we are liberal and in our early 40's. The very demographic that would normally support these amendments (as we did for Gay Marriage and Abortion), but the government have screwed up big time on this one and I really hope both are defeated so they can be re-ran with appropriate wording.

From talking to my less politically engaged friends and acquaintances, this is one of the worst referendums ever ran in the state. Hardly anyone I talked to has a clue what this is about (perhaps that is by design to keep turnout low so it'll pass without fanfare). I keep reminding them that not turning out to vote is essentially voting yes and you should never let a referendum pass if there is any doubt, because once an amendment is passed it will be very unlikely to be revisited in our lifetimes.

At least with the more polarising referenda over the years there was a clear choice whether you agreed or not.