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Ireland - now considered one of most vulnerable countries in the EU (defense wise)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,616 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    And.their airforce has almost 200 aircraft flying or on order including fighter jets..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,348 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I googled iceland and nato . They don’t have an army at all , or host nukes etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,348 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    that might be the way to go . I know Russia has no interest in occupying us but being a nato country would stop them sniffing around . After all, all this country has did is to export our youth and abandoned all sense of obligation to its citizens . And whoring itself as a tax haven to multinationals who would think nothing of pulling out if we actually charged them at proper tax rates. The high horse brigade can bark all they like about our ‘neutrality ’ but when push comes to shove , we’re all hoping that western countries win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Polar101


    It's a very cunning defense plan. Lull would-be invaders into a false sense of security by not doing anything about defense - and then hit them with the fancy secret weapons, which don't exist either. That's the invaders tricked twice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,348 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Iceland is a microstate of a few 100k people. I think rest of NATO (i.e. mainly US) pretty much look after it for them (?).

    Other countries in Europe (apart from us) who spend nothing or close to nothing (0.2 % GDP for us acc. to google) are quite similar.

    They have low populations (much lower than ours), small areas, and more openly outsource defence and security (e.g. Iceland being a NATO member), they don't play-act at having a military, and a policy of "military neutrality".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,348 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Exactly . It’s how we should play it too . Iceland is way out in the North Atlantic while we are only a short distance from mainland Europe and technically have a land border with a nato founder . It would give the guberment a reason to actually stop being lay abouts and take Irelands security seriously .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭Economics101




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Might be the choice before us if the world keeps heading to hell in a handbasket - Iceland/microstate approach or treating Irish military/defence more like other small, peaceful EU members.

    A more dangerous Europe/world means we could have to more openly allow others to take over these jobs and it all becomes more visible to citizens here (assuming other countries are willing, you still suffer a loss of control, he who pays the piper and all that).

    Or we will have to step up and do more ourselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    We should go ourselves. Why would anyone die for us if we won't even do the minimum to protect and deter ..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    Same old bullsht that we have no defence whatsoever. Same schoolyard exaggeration that if you have little that means you have absolute zero.

    Ireland has a small lacking military, therefore absolutely nothing whatsoever has ever been done about defense. And the Russians, well they're amazing they can invade anywhere. Ok not Odesa, a short hop from Russias coast, but like anywhere else. Definitely Ireland.

    I mean I don't know how it would be done, how many or which vessels would be used, no real details or reasons to think this is feasible, no knowledge of this topic, I can't see why they might do so, or how they would maintain this magic invasion, there's no structure to my belief, I haven't thought beyond the initial stage, but yes definitely because thats what came out of my hole.

    Sure Morocco is going to invade us too lads. Lets spend a load of money randomly to fight the Moroccans and their imminent invasion, plans for which I have found, once again, up my hole. Where theres a wealth of useful information, a veritable library of top secret files.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    We have a military but it is inadequate. Even a half mad wealthy multimillionaire with some local looney backing could take over. Russia could take the Western ports and hold on for quite a bit if they wanted to. All we need do is invest in a bit more defence. A few capable aircraft a functioning navy a well equipped army backed by a capable reserve.



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    But a half mad wealthy multimillionaire couldn't now could he.

    Lets have a quick glance at the numbers. Rounded off, 7500 army active and 1500 army reserve.

    You're Mick O'leary, you didn't get the extra capacity at Dublin airport, and you've decided to cease control. Ok. Go, tell me how it goes down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Import a few hundred mercenaries sure I have the aircraft to fly them directly from where ever. Take the Dail and the major TV and radio stations shoot any opposition set up roadblocks. Tell the World I'm in charge..

    Anyway all I mean was we are very weak militarily UK, Russia or any seagoing nation could invade if it wanted to..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,348 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    That’s exactly the point . We as a country have left our defence to other countries. Im not saying we should have a mental approach. Just ships and air operations



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Ari Gorgeous Peppermint


    What about all tht lovely Huawei infrastructure we have? China will be upset if we got rid of it



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    and blowing a couple of billions will change that how exactly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    lol ok. heck of a movie you got there. do you think beyond the part where they're in the dail? or is that when the credits roll?

    If you mean to say Ireland is militarily very weak then just say that. UK could always invade, there'll never be a time that they wouldn't be successful at that. If we upped defense to 10% they're still going to likely win.

    Russia I don't know that they could. And I have less reason for thinking they could sustain anything here. Its still a country of 5 million, 2800kms away with the sea to contend with. What are they going to do? Rename the place and run the show? I mean if we were sat on mountains of oil or gold it might make sense, if we were in some key location like Panama or Egypt.

    As it stands theres nothing here for them to profit from, its far away and not a threat, its a logistical nightmare, governing the people would be difficult and pointless, armed resistance would be encountered, and best of all there is a non-zero possibility of being beaten in a war by Ireland ... which I mean ...dear god.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    What would they do after taking the Dail? They would have suitable quislings to run the show even convince a few senior army to go along with it after assassinating the others, it is a bit extreme but you asked how it might pan out so I obliged,,

    Nothing here? well we are between the USA and Europe and much sea lane traffic passes just off our coast. Many mutinationals are based here too. Besides it's not all about winning it's mainly to deter and make it not worth the while. When Russia attacked Finland in 1940 they held them back in spite of their tanks planes and manpower..



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,429 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Even if we pumped millions into our defence (NOT going to happen) we'd still get rolled over by any serious nation who wished to invade us.

    All of of this "defence" nonsense is just gung ho wishful thinking, call of duty bullshit, by people who'll never be wearing a tin hat themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    ? Defending your home is serious. Maybe you don't take it that way..



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭highpitcheric


    if you're actually not taking the mick then this is some of the daftest and funniest nonsense ive seen in my time online. completely unconsidered, its like a steven segal film plot minus the tits and explosions. ah the mercenaries just fly in unaccosted and overrun the dail and convince senior army officers. and then they win. cool.

    in your profile you have what seems like mature considered posts about car tax and computerization of life, whisky and the childrens hospital, so you seem to be adult and structured in your thinking, but these posts about mercenaries and roadblocks are so child like that i have to believe you're pulling the pish. and for that reason .... im out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The EU helped lift us out of poverty, backwardness, theocracy, forced emigration and a humiliating dependence on our old colonial masters. Now some of us are asking why we should do anything to protect the security of the bloc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,637 ✭✭✭jackboy


    So now we are gone from protecting ourselves to protecting the EU. Do you realise because of geography, in the long term, we are at a far higher risk of invasion from an EU country than from Russia.

    The Swiss have not invested heavily in their military historically just because of threat from Russia, its the European maniacs they have been surrounded by for centuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,413 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Modern military don't need strategic bases like that anymore with long range navies, aircraft and weapons. Ireland's strategic relevance in that context ended with WW2. Being able to use Ireland as a base of any kinds is a "nice to have" not "need to have"

    Any base would be sandwiched on both sides by US on one side and UK and Europe on the other. It would be daft place to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,413 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Doesn't even make sense for UK to invade either.

    Ireland is simply irrelevant from a military point of view.

    For policing or monitoring (Radar) it's where Ireland could add value. But that's a shambles currently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Any country of Ireland's size and population cennot really defend itself from a big boy, no matter how much it tries to expand its military capabilities. The only solution is a well-structured defensive alliance, which seemingly scares the crap out of so many people.



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