Referendum on Gender Equality (THREADBANS IN OP)

Government shocked with result....FFS what planet are they on.

I drink all your milkshake, I drink it up. It must be an awful shock waking up realising the view esposed by the Irish Times, Kitty Holland, Holly Cairns, Ivana and the rest isn't the view shared by the vast vast majority of this country. Insulting people who don't share your views isn't very becoming.

'It's clear we need more diversity training, extra NGO funding, a clampdown on the far right, some sort of tax on voting the wrong way, more regulation by social media companies around misinformation, climate awareness, and another round of vaccinations.' - Ewan MacKenna on X.

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That's not enough to vote yes, just because the right wing fascists campaigned it. I can think for myself.

Most people I work with were voting No/No with the reason that the proposals were a mess.

It would have been acceptable to change the words “woman” and “mother” to “parent”, and also it would have been acceptable to update the Family wording to include all types of legal guardians (not sure of what would be the most appropriate term(s) to use) , but the real issue was the slap in the face to carers.

The whole idea of sticking a piece in the family section about family caring for family reeked of government wanting to avoid tackling the issue.

The Article 45 for social justice is where this should have appeared, with a strengthening of rights so that disabled people should be supported in the manner of their choosing, and carers should be paid a salary from the state for their work.

”4     1° The State pledges itself to safeguard with especial care the economic interests of the weaker sections of the community, and, where necessary, to contribute to the support of the infirm, the widow, the orphan, and the aged.”

This article states that the Oireachtas is responsible for making the laws to follow the directives for social policy.

So it’s really within their power now to start dealing with the whole issue around carers being paid adequately for their work and disabled people getting the care they need, whether within their home or within the community.

I’m gonna make them all loads of well deserved sandwiches now. Helen said it’s what I’d have to do if yes didn’t pass

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It's really not a sad day, no one wanted this referendum. I'd call it a good day for democracy though

I don’t feel that I voted no, no based on fear. I voted no, no as there is no clarity as to what is going to happen if I voted yes. It’s not a fear that I have, it’s logical to want to know the outcome of I’m voting for something to come in.

For what it’s worth, I’m not pale, male. I’m a women in my late thirties, work outside the home and have a couple of kids. Have friends who are single parents and they are 100% a family and they and for what it’s worth they’ve all voted no too. There was no clarity

You're giving far too much credit to fringe lunatics who make up a very small percentage of the vote. The public didn't feel the wording was an improvement and Yes/Yes ran a poor campaign to convince people otherwise, it's as simple as that.

People 'didn't understand' it didn't matter? So people only voted no because they were too stupid to understand?

Michael McDowell explained brilliantly why it mattered. I'd wager that anyone that watched him with McEntee on VM the other night were left in absolutely no doubt that it mattered. Hence an absolute landslide.

So your view is you should vote based on what team you're on? This isn't a football match. The wording in both referendums was crap and the AG couldn't say how the courts would interpret them in real situations. The only logical vote in that insurance was no.

Would you believe that some people's political choices exist on a spectrum? It's not a simple as you'd like to portray I.e. Liberal = good, Conservative = bad.

Why bother with the legal institution that is marriage so? If a 'durable' relationship can be considered equivalent to marriage with respect to family? Marriage itself isn't even 'durable', it can be dissolved legally via divorce. That proposal was a mess.

The simplest proposal for the other amendment would have been to replace the word 'women' with 'parents'. That amendment was being used to get goverment financially off the hook for the care of infirm or less able citizens. That's why I voted no, it was a stunt.

I couldn't care less who's celebrating the No vote. I exercised my democratic rights as I see fit, as did you. Thankfully our votes are equal in the eyes of the state.

The citizen assembly is representative of the population, if you feel otherwise then you're holding radical views on the fringes.

Yes, McDowell is well known for his scare tactics