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Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

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  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭beerbellybob


    100 times stronger than H and they put it in EVERYTHING-white, X, all the fake pills.

    something like 90% of street drugs test positive for it here-I'm in US.



  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭reclose


    Great to see women getting equal opportunity to rise the ranks in the drugs trade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Updaparish


    Haven't been UP as we say for a while I heard from friends living in Dublin how bad it is.. I wasn't expecting it to be anything like what I witnessed..



  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Shamrock21


    Couldn't believe it myself as I past through town yesterday, I knew it was bad, but it was awful , scote of a female sitting on the bridge , she then shouts to a lad on a scooter to go to the 3 lads looking , he very openly takes out his bag in the middle of the bridge and then hands out the deals. Flys back down to the southside of the bridge to a load of other dirty North facers and hands off the bag. Bring back the Mockie squad !



  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Updaparish




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  • Registered Users Posts: 46 smuggled spud


    Fentanyl is in a lot of things. It's in epidural that women take before they give birth. Also used as pain relief for someone undergoing cancer surgeries. In the US, they mix it with Tranq. That's why they look like zombies, hunched over etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Dublin is fucked completely. It's way down in the hole now and hard to see anyway back. No law and order unless it's enforcement of road tax.

    I hate the city centre. It's a cesspit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    Surprised the townies haven't come out of the woodwork with the usual "I do be out an about all the time and never have any troubles", and "other places have problems too".



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    You'd swear we were in Haiti, the city has problems, like literally every capital city in the world.

    Unless you look for trouble you're very unlikely to find it, the junkies keep to themselves....we are privileged to live in a safe country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Petermc83


    Git Waldrons house taken by CAB along with €73k of watches.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I'm in DCC more than ever lately. Nearly every weekend since the new year. Plenty to turn the nose up at but also plenty of joy to be had.

    Id be very very very surprised if Dublin was in anyway out of kilter with the rest of the western world. So if you can't handle Dublin then you won't like any other European or US cities.

    If you do then you're biased.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Dublin City centre in the back lanes at any time or at night anywhere can be a bit dodgy so have a bit of common sense and you'll be grand, it's been that way since I was a teenager 30 years ago when I got mugged sitting on the floozy in the jacuzzi at lunchtime on a weekday 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Yes but it's not recreational in itself, just covers the cut with similar feelings, ever wondered why they put rat poison in so many drugs including cigs???



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Ok lads how long have they been shooting each other over the right to sell shooting up?? Daniel Kinahan was a world famous name as a boxing entrepreneur just a few years ago, now even he doesn't bother pulling the "no convictions" stuff any more


    But take off a hydra head and two others pop up, it's been like this in Belfast for donkeys years, shoot a drug dealer two more pop up , and there will always be a demand for drugs, the more criminalized it is the darker the forces behind selling it


    Remember the infamous Chicago feud was over selling gutrot beer to poor desperate people during the depression


    How did it start?? Kinda like Limerick

    "Like many other Chicago-based Prohibition gangs, the North Side Gang originated from the Market Street Gang, one of many street gangs in Chicago at the turn of the 20th century. The Market Street Gang was made up of pickpockets, sneak thieves and labor sluggers working in the 42nd and 43rd Wards. The gang especially distinguished itself during the newspaper "Circulation Wars" of the early 1910s between the Chicago Examiner and the Chicago Tribune.

    It was during the Circulation Wars that future North Side leader Dean O'Banion, then a member of the juvenile satellite Little Hellions, would develop valuable contacts with politicians and journalists. O'Banion and other members of the North Siders would be mentored by safecracker Charlie "The Ox" Reiser. O'Banion was one of the many Market Streeters to become a bootlegger. "


    From kids beating up rival newsstand sellers to hardened gangsters

    Al Capone started as a newspaper turf hooligan himself

    More money, more experience, meant graduating to higher crimes, nobody thought two newspaper gophers could end up in one of the most infamous feuds of all time, over alcohol, including a motorcade of Tommyguns raining fire on Capones hotel (Capone played it off, those close to him said he was shaken, make no mistake)



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    I know it's long but dead god, these are the events AFTER rival leader OBanion was killed


    • "November 9, 1924 – North Side Gang leader Dion O'Banion was shot multiple times and died, when three men identified as Albert AnselmiJohn Scalise (who both secretly had switched alliances to Capone) and the handshaker, Frankie Yale, entered O'Bannion's flower shop, "Schofield's", 736 N. State Street, across from Holy Name Cathedral, on the pretense of picking up a floral arrangement.[75] O'Banion's murder began a five-year gang war between the North Side Gang under O'Banion, then under Hymie Weiss, then under Vincent "The Schemer" Drucci (and later under George "Bugs" Moran), and Al Capone's Chicago Outfit, that probably started when O'Banion swindled Outfit head Johnny Torrio out of half-a-million dollars when O'Banion sold Torrio a Prohibition brewery O'Banion knew was going to be raided by the authorities.[76]
    • November 1924? – Apparently following O'Banion's murder, another North Side Gang member, highly decorated World War I veteran Sam "Nails" Morton, "known" by Chicago police to have committed several murders, was riding a horse in Chicago's Lincoln Park, when the horse threw the gangster and then kicked him to death. Morton's gangster buddies got the last word and exacted gangster revenge on the horse. The "hit" was planned by "Louis 'Two Guns' Alterie" (Leland A. Varain).[77]
    • 1925 – Joey "Babe Ruth" Colaro organized what would become Chicago's infamous, "42-Gang", which would become a virtual "farm team" for the ranks of the Chicago Outfit. This group of street delinquents would seem to do anything for a "buck", or to impress the "ladies". A number of these outlaws were recruited into the Outfit, with some of them making it into its highest ranks, including: Sam BattagliaFelix AlderisioSam DeStefanoMarshall Caifano and his brother, Leonard, Charles NicolettiFifi Buccieri, Albert Frabotta, William AloisioFrank CarusoWilliam Daddano, Joe Caesar DiVarico, Rocco Potenza, Leonard Gianola, Vincent Inserro and Sam Giancana.[78][79]
    • 1925 – Outfit front man and "42-Gang" graduate Sam "Momo" Giancana's arrest record consisted of more than 70 criminal offenses by this year. Giancana was considered the "prime suspect" in three murders before age 20, including the murder of a witness against him.[80]
    • 1925 – Vigilante citizens raids took place in Cicero, against Capone's whorehouses and gambling dens.
    • January 12, 1925 – North Side Gang members Hymie Weiss, George Moran and Vincent "Schemer" Drucci followed the limousines that Al Capone and Johnny Torrio were riding in to a restaurant, at south 55th Street and west State Street. Both limousines were fired on in a hail of gunfire, but neither Capone, nor Torrio were hurt. However, Torrio's chauffeur and dog were killed in the attack.[81]
    • January 24, 1925 – North Side Gang members again ambush Johnny Torrio as he returned from a Loop shopping trip with his wife. The gunmen shot him several times and wounded him and his chauffeur, Robert Barton. As George Moran was about to kill the wounded Torrio, the gun misfired and Moran was forced to flee as police arrived on the scene. For two weeks after he was shot, it looked like Torrio would die, but he recovered.[82]
    • February 9, 1925 – Johnny Torrio was sentenced by Judge Adam Cliffe to nine months in the Lake County, Illinois, jail, in Waukegan, for being the owner of the Sieben Brewery when it was raided by the authorities. The jail was supposedly chosen by Torrio's lawyers as a facility necessary for Torrio to receive proper medical treatment for gunshot wounds; however, the jail was actually chosen for Torrio's protection as the prison warden, Sheriff Edwin Ahlstrom, was in the pay of Torrio's organization. Torrio was later escorted by Capone out of the city after his release. After much time to reflect in jail, Torrio decided the gangland empire he was trying to build was too risky, personally. He handed the entire works to Capone. When Torrio left the city for Brooklyn, New York, for good, at the end of 1925, or in early 1926, he took $30 million with him.[82]
    • 1925 (Spring) – One year after Republican Joseph Klenha won the mayor's office of Cicero with Torrio and Capone's support, Klenha vowed in print to "run his office independently of the gangster element". Al Capone went to the Cicero City Hall and beat the mayor unconscious in full view of the police, who did nothing to Capone. Thus, Capone became Cicero's "de facto mayor". At risk to the Torrio–Capone machine were 100 saloons and 150 gambling establishments installed in Cicero since Klenha had taken office.[83] Note: It's not known if Johnny Torrio had left Chicago's organized crime scene by this point, because he would have still been in jail.
    • 1925?–'26?–'27? Top dog in the Chicago underworld, Al Capone's organization was pulling in $105 million a year. Adding flash to his personality, Capone began buying $5,000 suits and custom fedoras at some point along the way.[84]
    • May 25, 1925 – "Bloody Angelo" Genna was murdered after being followed in his car by the North Side Gang and Genna smashing into a lamppost after being chased. Someone then stepped out of the other car and shot Genna to death. Apparently, nobody was charged with the gangster's murder.[25]
    • June? 1925 – A month after his brother's death, Mike Genna and Genna Family members Albert Anselmi and John Scalise, who had secretly switched alliances to Al Capone, were going for "a ride", where Genna was unknowingly going to be killed. During the drive, the gangsters got involved in a shoot-out with police. Genna was wounded and immobile, and Anselmi and Scalise bolted from the scene. Mike Genna died two hours later. Two cops also died because of the shoot-out. Following Mike Genna's killing, brother Tony Genna was killed by a trusted friend, after Tony Genna went into hiding following Mike Genna's death. Tony Genna's death ended the Genna crime family for good.[85]
    • 1925 – Sometime after Angelo Genna's murder, professional fiddler and gangster Samuzzo "Samoots" Amatuna walked into the Chicago branch of Unione Siciliane and declared himself the winner of the local chapter elections that hadn't happened yet. Al Capone became furious at Amatuna for this, because Capone had his own guy in mind for the job, Antonio Lombardo ("Tony the Scourge").[74]
    • November 13, 1925 – Samuzzo Amatuna, an ally of the "Bloody Gennas", was gunned down after sitting down in a Cicero, Illinois, barber shop chair, allegedly by North Side Gang members Jim Doherty and Vincent Drucci. Amatuna died at the hospital, before he could marry his fiancée. Al Capone then had Tony Lombardo installed as president of the local chapter of Unione Siciliana.[74]
    • 1925?–'26 – Realizing Outfit boss Al Capone was a "train wreck", according to one biographer, Capone mentor Johnny Torrio returned to Brooklyn, New York, and began work on, "The Commission", realizing that having a centralized ruling body overseeing organized crime in America would bring the overseers untold wealth and power and ultimately give more wealth to – and, in theory, produce less violence among – the individual crime families. The meeting took place at New York City's Park Avenue Hotel. The participants included: "Charles 'Lucky' Luciano" (Salvatore Lucania), who masterminded New York's five crime families and was the Genovese crime family's first boss, Louis "Lepke" Buchalter, who went on to head-up organized crime's assassins-for-hire group, "Murder, Inc.", Abner "Longy" Zwillman, who was a "Prohibition gangster" and who also went on to be a member of "Murder, Inc.", "Joe Adonis" (Giuseppi Antonio Doto), was one of the key criminal minds in beginnings of 20th-century American organized crime, "Frank Costello ("The Prime Minister", Francesco Castiglia), a powerful gangster who also went on to head the Genovese crime family, "Meyer 'The Brain' Lansky" (Meyer Suchowljansky), known as the "Mob's accountant" and a good friend and business associate of "Lucky" Luciano, and Abe "Kid Twist" Reles, allegedly the 'most feared' member of Murder, Inc. This meeting was reported in The New York Times, in 1935, and was, "ratted out", by one of the participants, Reles, in 1941. Following Reles' revelation, he either jumped or was forced out of a hotel room window. He died from the fall.[86]
    • 1926 – Beginning this year, forces from Chicago to Washington, D.C., had been at work to "dethrone" gangster Al Capone. With "The Big Guy" being the lead name of those who were turning the city into a shooting gallery, Chicago Loop banker, Rufus C. Dawes, and his brother, Vice President of the United States Charles Dawes, under President Calvin Coolidge, launched an all-out assault on Capone. The brothers' reason was clear. Rufus Dawes was president of the World's Fair Corporation at the time, which would bring the Century of Progress to the city, in 1933. Fear of being hurt or killed by gang gunfire while in the city could affect attendance, and the fair and showcasing Chicago life and business could be a financial disaster for the city and state. Capone had to be removed. The Dawes' lobbied both Coolidge and his successor, President Herbert Hoover. By May 1927, the brothers had handed to them "the goose that laid the golden egg", which would allow the feds to nab Capone and put him away for a long time.
    • April 27, 1926 – After the South Side O'Donnells had been inching their way in on Al Capone's Chicago territory for a while, then in on Cicero, Illinois, Capone had had enough. With five cars and 29 gangsters, he went to greet the O'Donnells at Cicero's Pony Inn. No O'Donnell member was wounded, however. Capone's men did kill an assistant state's attorney who had been drinking with the O'Donnells. Realizing the gravity of what had taken place, Capone hid out in Michigan for a time. While Capone was in hiding, not only was the tide of citizen sentiment turning against him, police "sought reprisal, ransacking Capone's speakeasies, gambling joints and whorehouses, some beyond repair". His cash cow Cicero whorehouse was reduced ashes by a fire. While six grand juries addressed the attorney's killing, no indictments followed.
    • July 1926 – When Capone returned to the city after hiding out, he went to the Cicero police who wanted to question him about the assistant state's attorney's killing. Capone responded with an apparently unconvincing line that he didn't kill the attorney, and he'd "liked the "kid" so much, Capone had personally given the attorney a bottle of alcohol for his father the day before the murder.
    • September 20, 1926 – Using 10 cars in a successive motorcade, North Side Gang leader Hymie Weiss and his crew ambushed Outfit boss Al Capone with a cavalcade of bullets during his stop at the Hawthorne Inn in Cicero. Capone, being protected by his bodyguard Frank Rio, didn't have a scratch on him, neither did Rio. A Capone gunman, Louis Barko, and an innocent bystander, outside in a car during the attack, were slightly injured. Capone gave the injured bystander $5,000 for her medical bills. When Capone was asked who was responsible for that drive-by shooting, he reportedly said "Watch the morgue. They'll show up there."

    and so it went on, all over the sweet Emerald sheet, alcohol feud



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Imagine your new leader in a gang war is a WW1 cavalry veteran, and then he gets kicked to death by his own horse, that's nearly as bad as the accidental headshot suicide in Limerick



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Mother of God, I sometimes wonder if Mr Crosby is actually a bot 😵‍💫



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Just trying to show you a one hundred year old example of this stuff not being new, why come to a gangland thread without wanting to learn about how gangs work?? Is it just searching for juicy ones " Tiernan McFuqface was shot dead after multiple gunshot wounds from rival dealer". Omg drama, drug dealers dead, all these drugs proliferating everywherre isn't it terrible

    Historical examples of criminalization never working*

    "Is he a bot??" Well if I am one , it's one who knows more about gangs than you obviously , Irish or otherwise



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I think it’s Tippex , he’s sniffing it tonight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    The history of.How gangs gained control is irrelevant to gangs



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  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    @Nigzcurran

    So things like, many of the scumbagz of today being related to the scumbag of yesteryear and beyond ?? Remember when the General was a legend amongst the Dublin hoods and filth


    If you wanna talk gangs, talk gangs, sometimes the Irish ones are embarrassing (I didn't even know there was an Irish gang in the 2000s named after the Westies, two hard men when you find them that's respect?)


    You boys are very very clique oriented arent you?? Dealt with harsher forums than this, I'm adding information



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Jesus Christ

    It's not mathematical equations, it's **** boxing, Dublin ,drugs, the effect on the sport

    x3+y3+z3=k,


    You wanna go bot?? Solve that equation



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Bud Im from blanch and lived tru the whole westies buzz. They were glorified gaf robbers who got exactly what they deserved



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Every single one is a glorified criminal and they either lived miserably, or died violently calling out loved ones names, or both



  • Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    But certain aspects of showbusiness and drug dealing are recessions proof



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭john boye


    Any chance we can start a new gangland thread and this can officially become the Paul Crosby's random ramblings thread and leave him to it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 jen0344


    Who buys these from the State? Wouldn’t Git just cause no end of hassle for anyone who bought his house?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 jen0344


    You do make some good points. Occasionally. However you’re really boring and long winded most of the time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 jen0344




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    The block feature is our friend.



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