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England v Ireland. Twickenham. Sat 9th Mar, 16:45. RTE2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭OldRio


    At least when Ireland lose you can refresh your ignore list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,466 ✭✭✭✭phog


    We lost to a better team yesterday, it happens. That's what makes Grand Slams so rare. Years ago, Ireland did it to a great England team in Lansdowne Rd. When you're on the losing side you have to accept it as much as enjoy it when you spoil it for the GS team

    We all knew we were lucky to be going in at halftime 4 points up, losing Nash so early in the game and with a 6-2 split on the bench didn't help our cause.

    Oddly, Scotland are the only team that can now win the Triple Crown, aside from everything else, they now have something to play for next Saturday. It could make for an entertaining day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Cork29


    Rassie was right when he called the Irish soft, we prove the point all the time. leinster team have the same softness also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    They will beat Scotland and will win the championship. This is a team that holds the record for the most consecutive wins in the 6N, 20 wins from 22, and are almost certainly going to win back to back Grand Slams next week yet are labelled bottlers for losing 1 game...It's obviously disappointing to lose to chance of back to back GS's but this talk of them being bottlers is laughable, basically saying having the best run any country has ever had in 6N history isn't enough.

    We aren't average, we're going to win the championship for the 2nd year in a row and are still miles ahead of the field, 1 loss by 1 point doesnt change that. They can get criticism but there's criticism and OTT criticism. It's a bad performance that they need to learn from but this utter guff about being "bottlers" is so out of place its borderline laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    I was tempted to reply until I saw the last paragraph, no point in discussing rugby without someone who clearly isnt a rugby fan.


    • First time posting on a rugby thread for at least 2 years, confirms my suspicion!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭threeball


    The triple crown, the real refuge of a loser. Its like an early version of a participation medal. If you couldn't win the Slam, couldn't win the championship, here's another meaningless trophy you can celebrate just in case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,466 ✭✭✭✭phog


    You know sweet fcuk all about rugby if you're discounting the Triple Crown



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭laketreeroger


    It’s probably that type of extreme arrogance why we lost yesterday. No real need for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭OldRio


    And he created an account just to post that. Sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    It's his first time posting on a rugby thread since the RWC, says it all really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭threeball


    It's pure shìte. It's up there with winning a Munster football championship. There's always at least one if not two of the teams in it going through the horrors. So one good win and your potentially a "winner".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,466 ✭✭✭✭phog


    England put pride back in their jersey yesterday, as most of knew they could, they've been poor, well below what they're capable off but yesterday they came out firing and we were below our best.

    We probably went back into our shell a bit too, we seem to have conceded more penalties, turnovers, knock ons yesterday than in any other game, some of that was probably due to the pressure England were putting us under but some of it was our own making too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Like I thought, another GAA head pretending they know what their talking about in rugby. But you're case one defeat and you're a loser, irony.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭laketreeroger


    Me? I didn’t post anything bad at all. Bizzare to open an account on Friday and post something fairly innocuous on Sunday and that post be the reason for the account.

    Post edited by laketreeroger on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,438 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What I always loved about rugby is how a team can turn themselves around in between games. And England did it yesterday. The 6n's would be boring if it didn't happen and we were on the receiving end yesterday. Roll with the punch and turn it around next week. Simple as that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭farmerval


    We didn't lose yesterday because of arrogance, we were beaten by a bigger more physical team putting in their best performance in a long time. Regardless of who they were playing yesterday England played really really well.

    This is the type of team we always struggle against. Look at Leinster in the Heineken cup. Really big strong teams cause them huge problems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    England played really well yesterday. Earls was excellent but the whole English team played with aggression and a chip on their shoulder.

    its not a case of Ireland bottling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Coaching ticket starting to look staid. A long contract for Farrell May be a mistake. When is ROG’s contract up with LaR?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    nail on head,England had line speed and aggression havent seen in 10 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,438 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I have noticed that success seems to have lessened our passion. England played with real passion yesterday. 100% committed to the win. You knew Murray played right into their hands with that kick. There was an inevitability about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    The loss of Nash and then the loss of his replacement, Frawley, really hurt us. Particularly when we had a 6/2 split. The yellow card of POM was the final nail in the coffin.

    Farrell's summary was fair enough. When the 6/2 split works, you're a genius and when it doesn't it was the wrong thing to do.

    It was a great, entertaining game. The 6N needed it. Very disappointed that we won't get the slam but hopeful that we will win the Championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    strange as how many times have munster put it up the jumper for the last few minutes to see out the win,why they hell would you kick it away,not news that england are handing at the DGs. we didnt deserve it tbh



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭laketreeroger


    Yeah maybe, you could claim media arrogance had a part to play in Englands performance though.Absolutely. Wasn’t it that spanner Dawson who wrote a best 15 for England and SA before the WC final they lost and he had 15 English players. SA cited it as a huge motivating factor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭Madeoface


    I don't know if England can back that up but they were very good yesterday. Itoje back to his annoying self and Ben earl was terrific. I can't stand earl with his whooping and shouting etc but he cast that aside yesterday and played great rugby.

    Mitchell was motm in my eyes. Pugnacious.

    A good kick up the hole. Once again without James Ryan we get bullied by a more physical side. Fair play England.



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭thepogues


    It was like a reversal of the 90s. England had to play out of their skins to just about beat a poor Ireland.

    Btw with the penalty advantage, shouldn't Smith have tried to get a fourth try and bonus point?

    Also did Joe McCarthy have any carries? If ever we needed a fella like him to do his thing it was yesterday.

    Anyway, better to lose this one rather than the final match.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Henshaw very quiet ,would definitely bring back Ringrose and Baird needs to start ahead of POM



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Higgins5473




  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The turning point was when JVDF went off



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Albenga


    Good Morning all, a newbie but avid Irish and Munster supporter here, albeit living across the water.

    I thought England played out of their skins yesterday and Ireland were strangely subdued, probably as a result of the onslaught from the first minute. A loss by a point is not the end of the world and the championship is there for the taking next weekend.

    Positives: VDF had a great game, also good to see Furlong on the charge, Aki was great as usual.

    Negatives: McCarthy and Beirne were strangely quiet. It pains me to say this as a Munster supporter but Murray and POM should not be in the team going forward. I assume central contracts have something to do with this? POM has a history of giving away stupid penalties and he continued yesterday. Blade and Casey are viable options to replace Murray.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Don’t mind the sport itself although don’t think there’s a huge amount of skill versus other field sports. It’s the deluded Irish fans ans media, the private school and south Dublin brigade that turn me and a whole lot others off it. The cabal and how closely ingrained it is with our politics is the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    That's the diplomatic way of saying you are not a fan. Deluded fans yet we're about to win back 2 back champions, shows how far we've come that we are lambasting the team for this achievement, its literally the joint best return for any team in 6N history!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Not sure about Henshaw but definetly Baird. I'm still a big POM fan but the one area he has an advantage over Baird, the line out, he was anonymous with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,466 ✭✭✭✭phog


    This may come across as me talking up keeping POM but whatever

    Yesterday, we lost as a team, it really wasn't down to any one or two players. We were below par across the squad, England just threw everything at us and it worked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Very true about him having history of giving up stupid penalties but he also has a history of making critically important turnovers or lineout steals although I think he's notvthe same player he was a couple of years ago. Also the Henderson penalty was a bigger mistake as we had just made a very successful exit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭roverjoyce


    I see no mention of England only having 14 players for the last play

    How were they able to get 40 yards so handy especially out wide



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭Seadin


    The former is more common to him than the latter unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭flatface


    Hats off to England, they put in a phenomenal performance yesterday, kicked less, ran and created more and dominated possession. They looked like they were going to win from the start. I wondered if they could keep up the intensity and despite Ireland keeping the score close they kept it up to the end. We struggled to contain them and never really wrestled back control despite going ahead on the scoreboard

    It was not POM, or Murray or the 6:2 split. Casey or whoever would have made little difference. We were outperformed up front and that is on our team as a whole. Disappointing as hell but massive respect to a great English performance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    England put us under immense pressure from the offset. Their speed and strength were very impressive. That said, Ireland completely lost composure and reverted to a poor kicking game as the pressure grew.

    That being said, it was the mark of a great team that they were still winning with a couple of minutes to play despite getting thumped in most positions.

    Very unlucky with injuries especially with the 6/2 split. However, injuries always happen in rugby - and equally to the opposition.

    My takeaways are:

    Our vaunted strength in depth is not as strong or as deep as we might think it is.

    Peter O'Mahony is the wrong choice for captain when cool heads are needed.

    Murray has always had a strong tendency to kick away possession - this is nothing new. Why on earth do we keep him on the team?

    Furlong is not as good as he was a couple of years ago.

    Ringrose is missed.

    Baird has to start.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Saying your the top team out of England, France, Scotland, Wales Italy, Ireland is like saying you're the best footballer in Kilkenny.

    That's incisive analysis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    I dont how yesterday proves anything in regards to depth, it must be pretty strong if you can afford to leave Ringrose out of the 23. If you have 2 back subs and then 2 backs get injured then you will struggle replacement wise.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    When you recognise 6/7 posters who haven't posted on the rugby forum since 14th October 2023 you know people are arguing in bad faith and not worth replying to. With all the old clichés.

    Where were they when we put a record away score on France??



  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭Inforapenny


    We were so passive out wide in our defence the last few minutes, happy to drift across but not push up and put pressure on. That last attack from the lineout were they went across the other side of the pitch was very frustrating to watch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    By your logic, South Africa must also be the joint 'Mayo' since they lost to Ireland in the RWC but still won it. Ireland have lost to England, away from home by a point in injury time but will still win the 6 Nations unless Scotland turn up armed to the teeth with machine guns.



  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭Inforapenny


    Out of curiosity, did it make sense to move Keenan to the wing when Frawley came on and could Frawley not of come on on the wing and could Murray not of gone to the wing and left JGP at 9?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    Eamonn Sweeney is from an athletics, GAA background in Sligo. Ruddock an arrogant 25 year old. These fellas are trying to sell copy, get clicks and make headlines.

    Yes that makes complete sense to dislike a sport because of the comments of 2 anorak journalists. Be honest you dislike rugby for other reasons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭noc1980


    Ireland isn't the same without Sexton. Before his retirement current players openly admitted their standards dropped when he wasn't there. When he went off in the first test in NZ our intensity evaporated. We were like a different team in the next 2 tests when Sexton was there to enforce the standard required. Schmidt also knew that if you're not cracking the whip these players can and will drop off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭robbie checker


    I hope Larmour or Stockdale get a chance on the wing next week if Nash can't play. The 6-2 split doesn't work, I don't see the logic bringing on an ageing Cian Healy for Andrew porter or an ageing Henderson for Joe McCarthy and sacrificing a back. They are hardly game changers. Casey should also get his chance on the bench. Connor Murray should retire from international rugby, he basically lost the game for Ireland with his box kick in the last few minutes giving the ball to England. I was surprised when O'Mahony was made captain, it should have went to someone younger gearing towards the next World Cup. Most of the other teams are bringing through new players after the World Cup and we should do the same next year. More of this Ireland team should retire to make room for younger players to come through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭Shehal


    The results have stayed the same it seems.


    EDIT - Oh god just realised, another none rugby fan...



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Sexton is a once in a generation talent and what he brought to Ireland will be impossible to directly replace. In essence you had a world class player and would class captain and world class manager all in one.

    Can't expect miracles in terms of adding his impact back into this team.

    But it is something this coaching panel must instill at all times. I know Schmidt had a incredible eye for work rate and standards. More of that attitude may be needed within the current mgmt team. Small things but in tight games big differences.



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Good post and in hindsight all of these have been mistakes. 6-2 backfired yesterday ( I have never liked it) and POM shouldn't be starting ahead of Baird but the captaincy issue has put Farrell in a sticky mess there. I think it probably cost us a second grand slam that call. But them is the breaks and hindsight is wonderful. Hopefully demolish Scotland next week and still claim the championship.



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