Referendum on Gender Equality (THREADBANS IN OP)

I think at this point, it is in the public interest to know how that media outlet is being funded. It isn't profitable.

They thought their crass, not-so-subtle attempt to belittle a potential No voter would have an impact...but for someone like me, and I suspect others like me, yesterday was refreshing to realize that the vast majority of us are not influenced by the current media class or political class. The Irish Times published polls only last week telling us this Referendum would succeed, they were bare-faced lies....if polling companies or media outlets didn't pick up on the public mood, you'd have to ask what is the purpose of them?

If the tiny numbers of online subscribers the Irish Times has don't cancel their subscriptions first thing tomorrow morning you'd have to question their intellect, being misinformed is one thing, paying to be misinformed is a completely different matter!

This is a deluded take- especially when the strongest No vote was in former SF heartlands-whilst they actively supported a yes. So laughably out of touch

Your still dreaming of the hard right wave raising your boat. There is no hard right party so SF will be the only beneficiaries of a FFG collapse.

It was definitely ideological driven. I think unamrried parents are a famly and i feel the government should play a role in the provisionof care. We will never see a committment beyond that in the Constitution though.

All of Irish media bar a few tiny organisations (who are all obviously funded by "the far right", or Whoever else is out of favour at any given time) all follow the same agenda.

The media the political class etc all making sure the Irish people do as they are told all whilst taking as much for themselves from the public coffers as possible (see countless political scandals and the RTE debacle).

We have an elite class lording it over an increasingly impoverished people expecting the status quo to never change.

I’m not dreaming of anything. Im dealing in the reality of SF utter failure and collapse - all you can do is label and throw out insults- precisely why Sf are in the mess they’re in.

SF fully supported this, they put up posters and press conferences. Be a grown up and own it ffs

I agree .

However Holly Cairns and Soc Dems were clear all along that their support was qualified in fairness.

" It’s important to acknowledge that the wording the Government has chosen to replace this provision with is not strong enough. The Social Democrats had argued that the proposal on care should have been more ambitious. In our view, the language lacks substance and limits constitutional protection of care to care within families – and not the wider community, as recommended by the Citizens’ Assembly on Gender Equality....

My party had proposed alternative wording which would have recognised forms of care taking place outside of the home, as well as putting an obligation on the State to support carers. Instead, under the proposed new wording, the Government will ‘strive’ to support carers. This means there is no explicit requirement on the Government to provide practical or financial support to carers. While this is not as strong a step forward for carers as I would have liked, it is an improvement on the current wording of the constitution. Maintaining the status quo is not in anybody’s interest."

Think this is pretty clear what the intent was .

I did hear similar from Louise O'Reilly SF and others also in opposition eg Jed Nash , Lab . Again to be fair.

But I agree that they all should have should have stood up to the government parties trying to bully through rushed and incomprehensible amendments to our constitution .

Agreeing " in principle " is not enough in this case . Nailed down wording and proposed draft legislation needs to be presented to people before they vote to make such important changes .

And this is what should happen before the next referendum.

We have seen before the harm that inept changes can make and the trauma with people having to resort to lengthy court cases for their rights as a citizen.

That is what was being supported by all parties here . Not good enough .

The IT ran arguments from both sides . Including McDowell . So not all media complicit .

This referendum has made the government look incompetent & the opposition look impotent.

The Sinn Fein position was Yes/Yes.

Black ...White .

Right ...Wrong .

Real world is a bit more nuanced , people .

Spot on.

As I said before once you stick a so called progressive label in it, they are terrified to oppose it in case the twitter hash taggers go after them. Absolute wasters.

What an opportunity missed all the same. What a triumph it would have been for one of them to lead in a No vote on the Care referendum yesterday, promising proper support for carers etc. Would really have been a stand out from crowd moment.

The "we didnt like the wording but voted for it anyway" is mealy mouthed nonsense and as you said utterly cowardly and at odds with the vast majority who shot both amendments down in flames.

Thats not trolling,Harry responded to you post.

Inaccurately and untrue , so yes it is .

If any of you ever look anywhere else you could read I called the care referendum out weeks ago and declared my intentions vote wise back then .

Well then that is certainly a very nuanced reply !