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National Hurling League 2024 Discussion

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  • #102
    windy shepard henderson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755374#Comment_121755374

    all 4 games televised were evenly matched , the wexford v offaly game was nearly the best game of the weekend



  • #103
    Chana Freezing Menu
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    The new format is shooting itself in the foot with groups of 7 and 2 up/2 down.

    There is a very distinct top 9 and in all likelihood the two teams that go down will go straight back up the following year.

    It’s a near certainty that the format will be changed before 2030 on that basis. Those two teams will be seen as having an unfair advantage over the other 7 teams in the cutthroat environment of Division 1. Similar complaints occurred when 1B teams won the 2017 & 2018 championships.

    But 6 team groups with 1 up / 1 down was great. Took Limerick 7 years to get out of 1B - while 1A was a dogfight between the top teams 1B was brutally punishing in the sense that one slip up and your promotion hopes were in tatters. Limerick lost out a couple of times via unexpected slip ups against Offaly. It was incredibly satisfying once we finally topped that division and earned promotion.

    The complaints should have been ignored in 2017/18, laughable stuff to change the format of a competition because some of the counties believe it to be too competitive.



  • #104
    randd1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757341#Comment_121757341

    The 1A/1B group style form a few years ago (the one with the league SF's being top 1A vs top 1B, and 2nd and 3rd in the league SF's) was great stuff, and the best league format for a long time. I'd bring it back in a heartbeat.

    But I would make it more competitive this time around, in that I would have two go up/down between 1A and 1B. More changeover in teams in 1A, more to play for in 1B (particularly for the weaker sides), more danger in what is essentially the same combined division anyway.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #105
    Happyilylost
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    With the Galway footballers and hurlers clashing I'll be using my football season ticket this weekend. Anybody wants my two hurling season tickets for the Antrim game pm me



  • #106
    gormdubhgorm
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800374#Comment_121800374

    Always think that is unfair on people that follow both codes. Scheduling should at least give supporters a chance to be able to see both live, if possible. Especially if Galway - Cork - maybe Dublin etc

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #107
    gormdubhgorm
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    If Dublin stay within 15 of Limerick would be doing well. Hope Limerick don’t dish out a right hiding.

    It does not say much for the state of hurling that arguably the 8th best team is hoping to keep the score down. Wide pitch Croke Park favours Limerick as well.

    If Dublin get a goal I will choke on me Ham Sambo. Because at the best of times a Dublin goal is an event in itself so rare.

    Eoghan O’Donnell still out for Dublin. Might have helped if he was playing. But still Dublin have been very loose defensively. Game could be over as contest after 15-20 minutes.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #108
    PTH2009
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    How can anyone be confident of the year ahead when a Limerick team in 2nd gear can score 3-30 in Croke Park in February



  • #109
    ShamoBuc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813326#Comment_121813326

    I'm confident that if Limerick get out of Munster, they will the All Ireland.

    They very nearly didn't get out last year, which was a pity - not from a Limerick perspective obviously.



  • #110
    Chana Freezing Menu
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813326#Comment_121813326

    Limerick were seen as untouchable after the league last year only for there to be a puck of the ball in it in all 5 of their matches in Munster in the following two months. They’re obviously favourites for the All Ireland but I wouldn’t read too much into what happens in February and March.



  • #111
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813326#Comment_121813326

    Well Limerick can feel confident 🤣



    But in truth the post above is pretty accurate.



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  • #112
    PTH2009
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    Yet another draw for Wexford

    Kilkenny pushed all the way by Offaly



  • #113
    breezy1985
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    Cork really need those 2 points to stay in touch now. Any less and their only hope is to stay in Div 1 through the best 4th position.



  • #114
    evolvingtipperary101
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    Those Cork jerseys are actually cool.



  • #115
    evolvingtipperary101
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    Downey might be worth a go up front after that point. Powerful runner.



  • #116
    TheRiverman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815913#Comment_121815913

    They're a long and not in a good way from their tradtional colour.



  • #117
    evolvingtipperary101
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    Good instinct for the goal.



  • #118
    evolvingtipperary101
    Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    If things stay the way they are (things will change - still two rounds left):

    2025 NHL 1A 

    Clare 

    Cork

    Galway 

    Kilkenny

    Limerick 

    Tipperary

    Wexford

    2025 NHL 1B

    Waterford 

    Offaly

    Dublin 

    Westmeath 

    Antrim

    Carlow 

    Laois



  • #119
    breezy1985
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    Why were Cork wearing pyjamas today ?

    I hope we are not getting like the soccer where teams wear change kits even with no clash.



  • #120
    evolvingtipperary101
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    Charlie Mitchell is a player.



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  • #121
    Seadin
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817572#Comment_121817572

    Why was Kyle Hayes playing yesterday for Limerick?



  • #122
    Vinnie222
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817622#Comment_121817622

    ????



  • #123
    evolvingtipperary101
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    McGuinness talks about this in football but it's a huge problem in hurling too. Half backs/midfielders/half forwards fouling players in the half back line to prevent breaking the lines into midfield and allowing a backline to get shape while a free is being taken. There is also the fouling of anyone who breaks the halfback line to prevent the run toward the goal - always give the free up rather than the goal chance - refs don't punish this kind of persistent fouling enough. It has become a structure to the game. Stops any kind of open play/flow.

    McGuinness speaking yesterday:

    "It is challenging. We want to play transitional football. A lot of times it is not possible. There is a lot of tactical fouling going on, a lot of people slowing the game.

    "I’m not sure if the officials are up to same level in terms of what the opposition teams are looking to do.

    "If the game is to become faster in that way then things like that need to be nipped in the bud early on or else it continues on for the rest of the game.'

    "It’s difficult to progress the ball quickly, probably because of possession football. In possession football, you are pushing 13, 14, 15 players on. The counter-balance to that is that if you lose it then you are in big, big trouble, so you cannot allow a transitional moment.

    "Even now when you do get the turnover, you’re probably not going to get up the field the way you want to get up the field because of that dynamic.

    "Possession football is then kind of dictating dynamics.

    "You either make your case to the linesman or referee and remonstrate, or you accept it."



  • #124
    Mantis Toboggan
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    Slippery night for hurling!

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #125
    breezy1985
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    The kinda dirty consistent stuff that is always in your eyes.



  • #126
    Mantis Toboggan
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    Poor crowd what's the story with the Gaelic grounds?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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  • #127
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,175 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Duignan and Canning are unbearable, jaysus a bit of new blood and people who know what they're talking about wouldn't be any harm.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #128
    spurshero
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872319#Comment_121872319

    ger should have been put out to pasture 25 years ago ….. robbing a living



  • #129
    TheRiverman
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872319#Comment_121872319

    Canning just said "pernamently" instead of "permanently". Micheal Duignan used to be very good.



  • #130
    PTH2009
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    You'd think Limerick would of just given Tipp home advantage instead of a trip down to Cork



  • #131
    Freneys Treasure
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    Hegarty knows how to feed Gilane



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  • #132
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872453#Comment_121872453

    They tried. Thurles was unavailable for some reason.



  • #133
    PeggyShippen
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    One point hammering 🔨 there really. Same old script in these Tipperary v Limerick games. Tipperary have a good 35 mins..then fall off a cliff and the game is done and then they do a cameo at the end and tack on a few scores. I'm not sure they believe they can ever beat this Limerick team when it comes to the crunch. Cahill and Bevans have been beaten so many times by Limerick with Waterford and Tipperary. Is give em a very slim chance in the Championship in the Gaelic Grounds.



  • #134
    gormdubhgorm
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    That Limerick v Tipp game was a good one for the neutral.

    Limerick are a machine at this stage, fast heading for the title the greatest hurling team of all time?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #135
    callaway92
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    I genuinely feel like Tipp haven't come on one bit compared to last year.

    All feels so flat.



  • #136
    gormdubhgorm
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872642#Comment_121872642

    They don't seem to have a special spark, a decent team but....

    Maybe they just have passed their best?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #137
    Billy Ocean
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121872269#Comment_121872269

    Taught 5,600 was a decent crowd considering all circumstances.



  • #138
    evolvingtipperary101
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    3 straights for Galway. Very unusual. 1 or 2 for Dublin too.



  • #139
    Happyilylost
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121875042#Comment_121875042

    Two straight for Galway not three.



  • #140
    evolvingtipperary101
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    ... It's that time of year when hurlers are not the only ones who are rusty


    https://x.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1766841151003275336?s=20



  • #141
    Mantis Toboggan
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    Jaysus Cork really put Offaly back in their box!

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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  • #142
    evolvingtipperary101
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    Offaly 14 points down on TG4 here and an Offaly lad celebrates winning a free...



  • #143
    windy shepard henderson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121875661#Comment_121875661

    men against boys , offaly look like a team that needs six months gym work , they are a mile off the required level of intercounty hurling in terms of conditioning , the lads form last years under 20 team look very light , they have no hope on progressing further then where they are until they change all that



  • #144
    callaway92
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876307#Comment_121876307

    6 Months gym work won't do it. That's the kind of stuff that needs to be done with lads when they're 14/15/16 years old.

    They aren't all gonna get bigger and stronger now.



  • #145
    PeggyShippen
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876347#Comment_121876347

    The big worry is Michael Duignan came out last week and said Offaly had caught up with everyone for S&C.. Theres a lack of athletic ability in Offaly that no amount of benching or squatting will fix. And with the S&C size and strength are only half of it...what about the power ..all the 'clean and Jerk' lifts ect. Those Offaly fellas are 2 years off that



  • #146
    callaway92
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876387#Comment_121876387

    I find a lot of lads like Duignan are mistaking S&C for what is actually a) just conditioning rather than strength and conditioning... and b) workrate when not in possession (tackling, hooking, blocking).

    Blindly saying 'we have caught up in terms of S&C' is probably too much of a blanket statement for him to factually prove!



  • #147
    breezy1985
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    The old comparisons between Davy and Mourinho might be making a comeback but not in a flattering way for Davy. Yesterday's men and the aura long gone.



  • #148
    ShamoBuc
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    Cork fairly destroyed Offaly. Thought they might make a game of it, but were completely outclassed by Cork.



  • #149
    windy shepard henderson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876347#Comment_121876347

    mark rodgers would be my example , at 19 or 20 went away in the off season and came back a tank , completely bulked up , look at the size of dan ravinhill for example he is not going to offer offaly anything at this level if he dont bulk up some bit , he was a quality underage hurler but thats all he will be along with a few more



  • #150
    evolvingtipperary101
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876467#Comment_121876467

    Ah Ravenhill is probably not even 19? Lots of time for him. But he played a very loose role with Offaly underage (as did Jack O'Neill with Clare), I don't think it's the best for developing a player. They struggle then when marked by someone tight later years if they don't get that underage experience of it. Same for a back man who plays sweeper.



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  • #151
    PTH2009
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    Division 1 for 2025

    1A

    Clare

    Kilkenny

    Wexford

    Limerick

    Galway

    Tipperary

    Cork

    1B

    Waterford

    Offaly

    Dublin

    Westmeath

    Antrim

    Carlow

    Laois

    Not nice reading from a Waterford point of view but can't say it's undeserved. Wouldn't fancy a trip away to Antrim



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