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new to commercial vehicle

  • 11-03-2024 12:54pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11


    I recently got myself a small commercial van from a dealership (221)

    It's the first time I own a commercial vehicle so I don't know much as to what is needed as NCT equivalent.

    When I bought there was no certs with it. When I asked the agent who sold it said it's due in Jan 26 (four years like for cars)

    But doing a bit of googling it looks like I need a cvrt every year and it's expired since Jan 23 (well before I bought it)

    Do I just book it in somewhere?

    Should the garage that sold it have done this and they trying to get away with it cause I'm a girl?


    Thanks



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭newmember2


    They weren't obliged to do this, but you as the buyer should have made yourself aware of the requirement before making your purchase. At this point, it's no big deal, once you book it in to a test centre and they don't find anything serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭911s


    I don’t think you can tax a commercial without valid CVR test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 Aoife.sere


    Thanks,I get it that is my responsibility to look after this but the garage should at least be able to give you the correct information!

    As for tax I was able to do that no problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Did you tax if privately, normally there are a lot off hoops to jump through for first commercial taxing by a new owner, but each council has their own take on it so you might have gotten lucky?

    Any issues with insurance, there can sometimes be hassle transferring NCB between private/commercial depending on company policy.

    Unfortunately with the garage not CVRTing it before purchase, it will now cost you €111 and you will probably only get a 6 months long test if it's expired.

    It wouldn't inspire much confidence that the sales person doesn't know the testing requirements for commercials, giving them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't deliberately lie to you. You did ask them that specific question and at best they told you incorrect information so misrepresented the vehicle to you so if it was me I'd be going back to them looking for them to test it/pay for the test at the very least.

    This is presumably a dealer and not a private sale so once the OP asked about it they we're obliged to give her the correct information and not mislead her by telling her she was covered with no test requirement for 4 years when it's actually only 1 year from new for commercials. The OP could potentially have been driving around for a long time unaware that she wasn't legal.

    So now the OP will be stung for €111 and another €111 in 6 months because of the dealers misrepresentation of the vehicle, for me if I was spending the presumably large amount of € they have on a 221 vehicle it would be a big deal.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 3 Owls in a Coat


    The only thing they’re trying to get away with is selling you a vehicle. Which they did successfully. Don’t be blaming your being a girl for your lack of knowledge and information. This is coming from me. Another girl. Find out what is required in order to own and run a van from both a private and a commercial point of view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,368 ✭✭✭User1998


    Regardless of what they told you, you would have needed to DOE the van around this time anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 3 Owls in a Coat


    This is pure nonsense.

    It is not the job of the vendor to fill in the gaps of the knowledge of the seller.

    The whole 4 years test requirement assumption sounds like it came from the buyer back pedalling - never in the world of commercial vehicles is there not a yearly test.

    I’m just annoyed that she blamed the perceived faults on her gender. This is a poxy assumption to make and not every motor trade transaction is trying to pull a swift one on women. It’s an insult to both her and the salesman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The vendor shouldn't have told her the test wasn't due until 2026.

    He is in the trade, the customer is not.

    If he didn't know the right answer he should have checked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Did you even read the OP?

    The buyer specifically asked the 'professional' dealer about the test and was told it didn't need one when it actually did and didn't have one and therefore the vehicle was sold on the false basis of it being road legal going out the gate when it wasn't. If you think that's acceptable on any dealer sale, let alone on a €15-20k odd motor then you're the one full of nonsense.

    I'm giving the dealer the benefit of the doubt and assuming they didn't set out to commit fraud and it was a genuine error but no way would I be letting it go.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 3 Owls in a Coat


    I did and specifically about “being a girl”. When the OP started out on the van buying journey , CVRT is literally one of the main concerns. The 4 years before first thing is a NCT thing not CVRT. Why didn’t she check it herself the same as buying a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It's nothing to do with "being a girl".

    She did check, she asked the dealer and he gave her wrong information.

    It's on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Buffman


    She did check herself by specifically asking the 'professional' motor dealer about the test. One of the main reasons people buy from dealers is because you're supposed to be able to trust them with the stuff like this. The dealer is supposed to be the 'expert' in this situation and should know what they're selling.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,368 ✭✭✭User1998


    Its not the dealers responsibility. Its the drivers responsibility to ensure the vehicle is taxed, insured, roadworthy, has good tyres, all lights working correctly etc etc. Not the dealers responsibility



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I know that and while legally it's true the dealer in this case led the customer astray.

    I often defended dealers on here but telling a customer that they don't need a CVRT until the van is four years old is indefensible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,368 ✭✭✭User1998


    By all means if the van was purchased recently I would go back to the dealer and suggest they DOE the van free of charge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The op said it was a recent purchase.

    Possible explanation that he was a trainee winging it.

    A free test would be a fair outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Dirty Nails


    Or maybe an ould lad back out of retirement :)

    LCVs used to get first test at 4 years back in the 90s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,273 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Sorry for your bad experience OP. CVRT.ie is the RSA site for this and has loads of info on it.

    Depending on where you are based, some of these centres are ‘old school’ so are better to ring for an appointment.

    If you have your own company you can claim the cost of the test and any maintenance or repairs as expenses against tax. Hopefully as a fairly new van it is in good condition.

    Best of luck with the van and throw anymore questions you have up here.

    Post edited by hoodie6029 on

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 Aoife.sere


    Thanks for taking time to comment.

    Just for context it was bought just before Christmas and for various reasons I didnt get around to worry about this for a few weeks.

    I bought from a main dealer because, as someone commented, I would expect the trade people in there to be the professional, and know all about requirements.

    I honestly think the lad who I dealt with had no experience with commercial, he actually sent me a picture of computer screen with the date January 2026 on it.

    As for the "being a girl" bit, it was meant lightheartedly, as in the garage trying to ignore it after they got their sale.

    I'm usually pretty independent and capable ( thank you 😌) but motors is something i have no knowledge or interest in, as far as they take me safely from a to b

    Booked in with my local test centre, all's well that ends well



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,273 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    You might just want to move on with things now but I’d be tempted to ask the dealer to cover the cost of the test for you at least. You have evidence there of them representing it as being tested when it was not.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



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